Cheth

@wastelandman: Nice RT! Something maybe also worth adding is that even before the apocalypse he was a war-veteran, meaning he has combat experience pre-wasteland

It was an entertaining and enjoyable movie. Def something cool to watch, but nothing overly special

@masterofmatches:

No jobbing; None specifically you Cheth... and your hatred for the End Times :)

Well played, was half-way into writing egrimm blowing up his entire team, Valnir accidentally killing himself, and Azazel/Valkia both crashing into each other by accident and both dying instantly.

Honestly think there's a lot of good choices here. The best fighter teams are obvious. Both Khorne and Slaanesh have one hyper-high tier duelist (Azazel and Arbaal), and two very good ones. I find nurgle perhaps the weakest team. Tamurkhan is kind of mid in combat, and the Glottkin, while a trio, are also not greatly impressive (as a trio they only barely defeated Mundvard, Vlad was toying until plot armour hit in, and they only beat Kurt/Franz because they're very unimpressive in ET and Franz was half-dead before the fight began. And that's 100% of their duels). Valnir is sick but sadly doesn't have many feats, still likely comparable to Dechala and Aekold, and his plagues are great. But he can't really carry his team solo.

And then there's Tzeentch. We have one of the greatest sorcerers in the world, another of the greatest sorcerers in the world with a melee form capable of holding it's own against pre-crown Archaon, and then Aekold, who has a ton of hax, beat a massive minotaur before getting any blessings, DESTROYED Vlad, and was beating Felix and Valkia confidently until he got showed into a whole basement filled with explosives... without it even being confirmed he died from it.

Personally I think I might favour Khorne or Tzeentch. Nurgle is as said the weakest. Azazel is one of the strongest here, but while he has strong teammates, I also find them the least likely to adapt to the challenges of plagues, tzeentch trickery, and the strength of khornates. Khorne on the other hand, has two people with pretty solid anti-magic stuff, and one who's pretty adaptable overall.

With this beign a 4 way battle though, I think I favour Tzeentch. They're the best at playing people against each other (with azazel being their only rival here), and if people make temporary alliances/target specific factions over others, they're the most likely to work with Slaanesh, which allows them to take advantage of the other two factions having to deal with the pretty high-tier slaanesh team.

The only hope the other teams have is Arbaal being a super-duper carry and slaughtering team tzeentch, which with his khorne hype might happen, but even without jobbing, it's difficult to reconcile that with his far weaker ET version that got beaten by... Caradryan. Even in a fluke it's embarrasing

The only one we've seen damage Lokhir is Aislinn, who has an ithilmar sword, so probably is a debate in on itself yeah

His head would reattach, not his entire form reform

So you think Helbrecht > Farsight?

Worth noting that Lokhir's gotten his head chopped in half and healed it in seconds. Doubt decapitation would do much

The issue isn't that astartes aren't strong, especially not khorne berzerkers, it's that eldar are their equals in the field due to different advantages (better tech, greater speed and agility)

And while berserkers can tank a lot, they hardly are invulnerable even to bolters. The reason they're effective is because once they do get into melee with other space marines and such, they are a foe to be reckoned with. But the eldar here would just shoot them all along the way, and keep shooting even when they're in melee with the auxilia. And even if the berserkers are still alive then, they need to chase down 1000 eldar that will actively run away from them while shooting. It's just a nightmare for the marines

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