Most powerful Beyond-Omega level mutant in the marvel universe?

Exactly! One of those Celestials even tanked an attack from the Ultimate Nullifier

1) No, most of it is scaling. Did you even read the Scaling section?

2) Statement are from credible sources.

3) WPotC feats are still most consistent on average vs most of the op’s list, which is mostly either characters full of high ends, outliers, or just straight hype with nothing backing it up.

So, how exactly do you choose which Adult Franklin to use? Because doesn’t he have around three or four variations of adult Franklin?

take all his best feats adults so (peak)?

personally, i used to put jean (wotc) as N.1 10 years ago tho lots of things changed since then hence why i made this thread

P.S noticed there are peope objecting to giving jean the phoenix powers? dunno why they do since jean has a special connection with the phoenix unlike any other host, so it's fair to have it as part of her arsenal, no?

Lmao, yeah. It’s….complicated.

On the one hand, if we are talking pure mutant gifts, then we would consider Jean without Phoenix, due to the fact that physically, she was born without the Phoenix. As her own individual. So if we go off of that, the Phoenix is a primordial entity existing far before Jean Grey, making it an outside entity that augments Jean Grey. And if Jean merges with it and becomes WPotC, it can be argued Jean is no longer a mutant, with her mutant body being transmuted into something less physical. Something completely more than mutant. In essence, becoming a cosmic force instead of being a mutant augmented by that force.

But, there are……implications by different writers about the Phoenix possibly being a part of Jean’s mutation….it’s never outright confirmed, which is why some take it as hyperbole while others take it as fact. You get things like,

I choose to err on the side of safety and just presume physically separate from the start equals always separate with Jean and Phoenix. But esoteric destiny stuff always muddles the waters.

"Sue didn't know about God Emperor Doom who had Beyonder's powers and she thought she and She Hulk could take on the Beyonder back in the 80s so I wouldn't say she's an expert on his capabilities"

Wiccan Wiccan, Take on the same beyonder that killed death across the multiverse nah she's not that girl blud lol, and i know you're smart enough to understand her capabilities, she's your pfp character remember ?

"Again, Sue isn't an expert on Griever or the Beyonder and their capabilities and if you think Franklin doesn't have any good feats against cosmic entities beyond Galactus I rest my case"

Doesn't changed the fact that she's already seen a beings like marquis of death and beyonder can do, it's seems now you're tryin to down play your own pfp, pathetic

@justaxviel:

Wiccan Wiccan, Take on the same beyonder that killed death across the multiverse nah she's not that girl blud lol, and i know you're smart enough to understand her capabilities, she's your pfp character remember ?

That's why I'm saying I wouldn't say she's an expert on his capabilities and she clearly underestimates him

Doesn't changed the fact that she's already seen a beings like marquis of death and beyonder can do, it's seems now you're tryin to down play your own pfp, pathetic

I'm not downplaying her I'm just saying everything she says aren't factual when it comes to cosmic entities and their power levels and shouldn't be taken at face value especially when there are so many feats that suggest otherwise, that's more Reed's forte but either way feats >>> statements

"That's why I'm saying I wouldn't say she's an expert on his capabilities and she clearly underestimates him"

You acted like she didn't know the beyonder already ? mod ? infinity gauntlet thanos ?, she must be introverted or sleeping in entire event then lol.

"I'm not downplaying her I'm just saying everything she says aren't factual when it comes to cosmic entities and their power levels and shouldn't be taken at face value especially when there are so many feats that suggest otherwise, that's more Reed's forte but either way feats >>> statements"

Bodied wpotc then, but that statements proven to be true when she literally one shot molecule man and making multi eternitity at near death state with just her presence.

@justaxviel: “Bodied wpotc then”

Bodied ”Scaling 101”.

@justaxviel:

You acted like she didn't know the beyonder already ? mod ? infinity gauntlet thanos ?, she must be introverted or sleeping in entire event then lol.

I'm saying she's not an expert on the Beyonder as she thought her and She Hulk could take him on back in the 80's, but if you think everything Sue says is 100% factual then go ahead

Bodied wpotc then, but that statements proven to be true when she literally one shot molecule man and making multi eternitity at near death state with just her presence.

Scans? Also you seem to forget all the non abstract characters' feats against her to fit your argument

"Scans? Also you seem to forget all the non abstract characters' feats against her to fit your argument"

I tought that i was given it to you, also isn't it obvious that when she's threatening multiverse and become the biggest threat of it currently, at that point she's threatening eternity itself, logic thinking please.

"I'm saying she's not an expert on the Beyonder as she thought her and She Hulk could take him on back in the 80's, but if you think everything Sue says is 100% factual then go ahead"

Oh but that's not the point, the point is after secret wars she should know how powerful the beyonder is. and the rest of multiversal conqueror like mod. don't tried to downplay the intelligence of your pfp character for the sake of your argument pls. lul

@justaxviel:

I tought that i was given it to you, also isn't it obvious that when she's threatening multiverse and become the biggest threat of it currently, at that point she's threatening eternity itself, logic thinking please.

No you didn't you just showed a scan of Sue saying she's a threat to the multiverse, nothing else

Oh but that's not the point, the point is after secret wars she should know how powerful the beyonder is. and the rest of multiversal conqueror like mod. don't tried to downplay the intelligence of your pfp character for the sake of your argument pls. lul

Again, I'm just stating facts, She wasn't present during the modern Secret Wars and in the classic Secret Wars she thought herself and She Hulk could handle the Beyonder

@scarlet_wiccan: I think how much Franklin is shown to be weaker than his normal level was during Fantastic Four(2022)#16. By his own admission, Franklin was once so powerful that he could create entire universes with just a thought. It shows that he was considerably above even universal:

@andromeda1001 said:

@scarlet_wiccan: I think how much Franklin is shown to be weaker than his normal level was during Fantastic Four(2022)#16. By his own admission, Franklin was once so powerful that he could create entire universes with just a thought. It shows that he was considerably above even universal:

Precisely what I'm talking about

@andromeda1001: I'm thinking about making a Franklin respect thread once I'm finished with Reed's

Nice! I read many of Franklin's appearances and can safely say the current RT we have here is very outdated.

True, There are so many feats I know about that I've never seen in his Respect threads

"No you didn't you just showed a scan of Sue saying she's a threat to the multiverse, nothing else"

I don't think i should given it to you, because it's literally implied how dangerous she is to the multiverse, threatening the multiverse = threatening multi eternity.

"Again, I'm just stating facts, She wasn't present during the modern Secret Wars and in the classic Secret Wars she thought herself and She Hulk could handle the Beyonder"

And im also stating the facts that logically she should've know how powerful molecule man and beyonder is after that, she's not that innocent franklin richards, unless you tried to downplayed her which is happening right now., and don't tried to clear the cloud about the fact that she's already fight against mod and how powerful he is at the point he's considering both galactus and eternity as insect and destroyed billions of universe.

Jean

@justaxviel:

I don't think i should given it to you, because it's literally implied how dangerous she is to the multiverse, threatening the multiverse = threatening multi eternity.

Again, Feats > a random character statement

And im also stating the facts that logically she should've know how powerful molecule man and beyonder is after that, she's not that innocent franklin richards, unless you tried to downplayed her which is happening right now., and don't tried to clear the cloud about the fact that she's already fight against mod and how powerful he is at the point he's considering both galactus and eternity as insect and destroyed billions of universe.

If you'd like to take a random character statement at face value and ignore dozens of feats than sure

"Again, Feats > a random character statement"

Does this look like a random statements for you ? or you just can't differentiate between statements and feats ?

"If you'd like to take a random character statement at face value and ignore dozens of feats than sure"

Funny, you admit that you seems to know about sue at the point that you know when she wants to fight beyonder back in the first secret wars, yet you didn't know anything about her currently. or it's just for the sake of your "running out of excuses" argument ? lol

@justaxviel:

Does this look like a random statements for you ? or you just can't differentiate between statements and feats ?

Once again a lie, Eternity was in pain because of the reckoning war that was happening across the universe...

Funny, you admit that you seems to know about sue at the point that you know when she wants to fight beyonder back in the first secret wars, yet you didn't know anything about her currently. or it's just for the sake of your "running out of excuses" argument ? lol

She tried to fight him after Secret Wars so she was aware of his power performed in the first Secret Wars and still thought she could take him Indicating she's clearly underestimating his power

"Once again a lie, Eternity was in pain because of the reckoning war that was happening across the universe..."

Reckoning war ? that's exactly the point she's the face of the existence itself, she's the cause of all of it according to her own function, you're just making headcannon now LOL. her presense supposedly to be the end of 8 th cosmos which is literally multi eternity, that is her function in the multiverse until she got sealed.

"She tried to fight him after Secret Wars so she was aware of his power performed in the first Secret Wars and still thought she could take him Indicating she's clearly underestimating his power"

Oh you're yapping rn, logically in the end she failed and she must be now why she lost to a freakin beyonder, yet somehow you expected her to didn't learn by her own mistakes ? by a simply understanding how powerful her opponents after that ? your argument getting non sense lol.

let me get this simple, official panel statements > your opinion

damn, so ig the two post prominent figures are jean and frank

with the scarlet switch coming a close second, so there is that

noice. about this order:

when not mutant-:

then

• marquis
• nate
• jasper
• jean

when they are mutants:

• jean (with WOTWR)
• frank
• scarlet

tbh, when characters can become so cosmically powerful like beyond omega lvl then they can just undo their mutant status and retain their cosmic powers

@justaxviel:

Reckoning war ? that's exactly the point she's the face of the existence itself, she's the cause of all of it according to her own function, you're just making headcannon now LOL. her presense supposedly to be the end of 8 th cosmos which is literally multi eternity, that is her function in the multiverse until she got sealed.

You claimed the Griever's presence was killing Eternity when it was actually the reckoning war that was killing him which had absolutely nothing to do with the Griever

Oh you're yapping rn, logically in the end she failed and she must be now why she lost to a freakin beyonder, yet somehow you expected her to didn't learn by her own mistakes ? by a simply understanding how powerful her opponents after that ? your argument getting non sense lol.

She didn't lose, He teleported away so my point still stands

"You claimed the Griever's presence was killing Eternity when it was actually the reckoning war that was killing him which had absolutely nothing to do with the Griever"

Nah it was the fact that her function means the end of multi eternity, my point still stands.

"She didn't lose, He teleported away so my point still stands"

Oh yes a freakin sue storm didn't know how powerful the beyonder, keep coping

But hey fun fact, official panel statements > your opinion btw

@justaxviel:

Nah it was the fact that her function means the end of multi eternity, my point still stands.

No, You said her presence was killing Eternity and showed a suspiciously blurry page while it was actually the reckoning war killing Eternity and it had nothing to do with the Griever

Oh yes a freakin sue storm didn't know how powerful the beyonder, keep coping

So you're the one making stuff up, using out of context panels and ignoring dozens of stuff happening on panel but I'm the one coping?

But hey fun fact, on panel evidence (x10) > a random character statement

There, I fixed it for you

"No, You said her presence was killing Eternity and showed a suspiciously blurry page while it was actually the reckoning war killing Eternity and it had nothing to do with the Griever"

Nah it's just the same meaning lol.

"So you're the one making stuff up, using out of context panels and ignoring dozens of stuff happening on panel but I'm the one coping?"

Said the dude who being in denial and downplayed his own pfp character

"There, I fixed it for you"

Bodied yourself loll

Could you tag me for this Scarlet?

Sure, I'll tag you when I'm done