Madara replaces byakuya in the tybw

Round 1

Base asnot

Round 2

Fear of God asnot

Round 3

The bambis+robert+Naja

Gallery

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Round 4

Gerard

Round 5

giant gerard

Madara(rinnegan)in character

Is this Edo madara?

Regardless he stops at 5.

R1: Base sharingan madara soloes round 1

R2: Same

R3: edo regen counters all the girls, he drops a mteor and they all die.

R4: all madara needs here is v3 susano atbest to counter gerrard and genjutsu + sealing

R5: edo regen counters damage reflection and any damage done, either izanami or genjutsu and a seal deals with gerrard.

Madars stomps all rounds

Madara should take one as long as he is serious but I don't see how he'd pass 2. The hax is pretty strong and regen is completely countered by all here not to mention the stat gap

edo clears withneg diff cant be killed

Madara clowns everyone up until R4, like he won't even take them seriously.

R5 depends on if he can seal Gerard in some kind of way.

Clears

Stops at 2 or 3.

@ilyas97: yes

Clears

Probably one of those swords from the susanoo that broke mountains would kill them all in one fell swoop.

sToPs aT oNe

He teabags his way up to 5. I don't see him breaking Gerard's cross if even Bankai Kenny can't.

Izanami GG, genjutsu GG...

Edo Madara Hard stops at R4. No way to put down Gerard and he eventually wins. R5 Gerard steps on him and kills him

@uchihaghost: Those aren't permanent solutions.

Couldn't gerard use sklaverei to absorb madara?

THe same reason quincies don't just absorb anyone is the same reason gerrard cant.

Well as far as the matchup is considered, gerrard will lose, and he has no way of breaking genjutsu which lasts for years...

@uchihaghost: why wouldn't gerard be able to use sklaverei on madara?

@scythenger: they can only absorb reishi with it

and contrary to popular belief reishi isn't what souls are made of that's why they don't absorb hollows or soul reapers because they cant reishi is an energy not matter it is not physical and only exist outside of the real world in the bleach society

Sklavrei has absorbed the flesh off of multiple Arrancar, the Tres Bestias, Chad, and Inoue while in soul-form (from Urahara's fake Garganta). The first time we ever saw a Quincy absorb Reishi to the degree of Sklaverei is when Uryu literally broke down the molecular bonds of the buildings in the Soul Society.

If you wanted to say he couldn't do it because Madara is of a similar power level, or because Madara's body is physical, not spiritual that's one thing. (Though he would likely still be dismantling Madara's soul- otherwise)

The best answer would be that Gerard simply has never shown the ability to use Sklaverei to such an extent, and an argument could be made IMO that Madara is of a comparable power level to Gerard until he evolves.

@scythenger: dogorus already gave you an answer, madara is not made of reishi, and if they could just do that to anyone they would have soloed everyone in bleach. Add the fact that its OOC to begin with as you noted, thats not happening neither will it work.

@uchihaghost: isn't energies always equalized until it's stated otherwise and isn't chakra also spiritual? the whole they could've solo'd everyone in bleach isn't a good argument because plot and character induced stupidity are a thing. It's still an option for gerard even if it is out of character. A fodder like kirge was able to breakdown, absorb and consume ayon who is a giant hollow and hollows are a poison to a quincy and he was fine. Gerard was one of the elite stern ritters who's also a piece of the soul king which should make his sklaverei be stronger than someone like kirge's not to mention that he's a giant which should allow him to have greater range with his sklaverei. And I don't see madara having the stats to contend with giant gerard who would only keep getting bigger and stronger against madara, has op regen, can reflect damage, fire beams, fly, can use blut to either further increase his defense and offense and can attack the soul with his attacks.

@scythenger: souls in naruto are immortal and stats are actually in madaras favor edo madara is multicontiental plus with ps and continental plus in full body susanoo and edo madara can seal him or use izanami

@dogsrus: giant gerard should be stronger than edo madara and if not the miracle would not only shut down any offense madara could do it will also make gerard bigger, stronger, more durable and faster. Gerard can also increase his offense and defense with blut. He'd also be able to reflect damage back to madara. Gerard can also fly and fire beams. Sklaverei would allow gerard to not only break madara down spiritually and physically but would let gerard absorb him too.

he has no feats that suggest that he is stronger than edo madara well madara has several non lethal ways of taking care of him and sklaverei only works on reishi it doesn't work on normal souls or they would have used it on soul reapers who are just souls and madara is immortal any damage wont matter to him and soul steal would also one shot madara can also fly and has gravitational powers 6paths powers summon meteorites use woo style and all 5 releases an izanami which is an infinite loop that keeps on repeating the events when casted which madara can also do or just absorb him with hashiramas wood style

@scythenger: just like how jman doesn't turn everyone to a frog the way he did to some fodders, some techniques seem invincible or are used in a specific way that seem like they are invincible but there is a reason they just didn't shut down every atack with sklaverie, based on your argument no quincy is losing a fight with shinigami, lyod/Ryod should have just absorbed yamamotos bankai with his sklaverie and many other examples, but for the most part that was not the case meanijg it has an inverse restriction of auto oneshotting everyone.

And when its the more consistent thing, then its not PIS. Another example is momoshiki turning everyone he fights into a chakra fruit.

@dogsrus: gerard scales to and above kenpachi and the miracle will turn any damage he receives into making him more powerful and he can increase his strength further and increase his defense. Madara has a soul and a physical body which his what sklaverei breaks down and it allows the user to absorb the person they use it on. Madara has no defense or resistances that would save him from sklaverei. Gerard can also use shadows which would allow him to teleport and open up a dimension as well as having the ability to fly. Madara's wood style would be broken out of or avoided with flight or shadows. He wouldn't be able to activate izanami because gerard wouldn't give him any breathing room and with sklaverei madara wouldn't have time to activate it then either. And even if he did use it can be broken out of.

@uchihaghost: royd's goal wasn't to kill yamamoto. It was to stall yamamoto, try to weaken him and make him use his bankai. Look at what kirge who was a foot soldier did to someone like ayon. Without plot and character induced stupidity quincy should have no problem doing what kirge did to ayon to other people. Exceptions would be someone like yhwach and maybe just other quincy in general, and by showing a resistance to something like it. Sklaverei is an op technique. Going by the ayon example it shouldn't matter if you're stronger, sklaverei should still have no problem working. It could be limited to what was shown to avoid any nfl. And what kirge showed is that ayon who was a giant that was making him bleed, overwhelmed and pummeled him and made kirge unable to do anything other then get a beatdown, kirge was still able to one shot ayon with sklaverei.

@scythenger: so whats stopping jiraiya from transmuting anyone into a frog or momoshiki turming anyone into a chakra fruit??

Clears with negative difficulty. Maybe use Orochimaru or Hidan instead, eh?😂

I like how trolls with 0 logical argument always infest an already done thread at the end. Lol

@saxz: Funnily enough, some of them even wank DBS low-tiers and canon DB to Hyperversal, lol.

this is really just Madara vs Gerard.

Madara blitzes and Genjutsus.

Where are people getting the idea that Edo Madara with trash Genjutsu feat is even bothering Gerard, A SK part. Lol.

Even if it were true that Madara's genjutsu were bad, which they aren't since he was a leader of the biggest genjutsu-using clan in the world, it still wouldn't make the slightest difference since his opponent comes from a world where mind hax are very rare and simple.

Madara controlled kurama for years, madara being a trash genjutsu user is an ignorant claim, a highly ignorant one, gerrard gets genjutsu'ed.

Forget a part of SK, mind resistance feats for Prime Soul King?

Bleachers sometimes try to show that the oken grants resistance to mind hax, like Byakuya to a quincy ability that induces love in the target. In this case they expand this to any and all types of mental hax, it's not a good argument but it's what they have to not admit that the guys in Bleach succumb to the genjutsus of the guys in Naruto.

@feanorr: lol that argument makes zero sense anyways cuz genjutsu like KS does not affect its target like the love does, it targets the eye sight, and other genjutsu's like izanami don't even require that.

One casually shook the planet with a PD that didn't touch the ground, blocked attacks from a second form 10 tails with a non perfect Susanoo contended with a guy who could shake the earths core with punch from his golem, casually split giant mountains etc etc.

The other team.....🦗

It's definitely True. Edo Madara is not some Genjutsu specialist at the top of his verse. His showings are above pre juubi jin are above average at best. The position of strongest he held had little to do with Genjutsu prowess and more to do with his overwhelming power. Him being a leader of a Genjutsu clan is irrelevant in this case because 98% of Genjutsu aren't really that impressive. The top 2% is where the shit happens.

True...Mind hax aren't common in bleach but they being simple is an illusion of yours. Literally no Uchiha except Itachi has feats that tops fear in lethal potency. No unnamed Uchiha has control feats above Pepe Love's mind control, neither is any unnamed Uchiha pulling off the illusion feats of rose's bankai or Shinji's bankai. None of these mind control are simple, even by Naruto standards.

Forget prime Soul king resistance, what Genjutsu showing does Madara have that is greater than the resistance shown by the hair/bones (a.k.a dead cells) of the soul king.

As it stands pieces of his hair is resisting mental abilities of fear, Love, and Shinji's bankai. Edo Madara doesn't have feats greater than these guys. If he does I'll wait.

@saxz: post the mental TP potency of these guys.

@maulsmacker:

Thought you read bleach 🤔???????

I am too busy to scan dump, Ask for a specific feat you can't take my word for

As Nodt fear - mental attacks on the subconscious and instinct, potent enough to cause death to an average person in Base. Has even stronger mental attacks and Gets stronger in released form

Pepe's Love - mind control that forces someone into complete servitude. Potent enough to overwrite Gisele's zombies, which are already under in Gisele's control And even supercede the bond between Zanpakutou and Shiningami

Rose bankai - illusions potent to cause real life damage and kill those captivated.

Shinji's bankai - it can Inverts the opponents perception, including the allegiance . Potent enough to captivate thousands and make them kill themselves in a bloodbath.

The never ending cycle

All these posts and this version of madara isn't passing 2. Stats are too low to be relevant. Honestly after what quilge did in his vollstandig they can just take madara PS attack to the neck unharmed

@saxz: you only gave potency for one (Shinji) and it's thousands? That's...not gonna cut it, you're aware yes?

Literally none of the skills you listed are about mental control but rather about inducing a feeling, in Pepe's case he can control people as a result of this induction of a feeling, at most you can attribute to them the ability to influence the release of norepinephrine(The Fear) and oxytocin(The Love), this is not even close to mental control, the others are induction of illusion.

In terms of illusions and control of fear, we have the narakumi no jutsu, which is literally a RANK D genjutsu, that is, something highly simple even for ninjas at the ninja academy who are basically children who haven't even started to have hair on their balls. In other words, the weakest genjutsu ever seen in the entire series and with the lowest possible difficulty rating is already capable of sodding the target's mind and creating an illusion based on their greatest subconscious fear to the point of making a trained kunoichi faint. Is that enough for you to understand how shitty Askin's schrift or others' illusions are compared to the mental attacks that ninjas are used to dealing with?

And to make matters worse, the fight here involves an Uchiha, if he wants to make his own enemies puppets and slap them, he can just exchange glances.