@undre: that was plot naruto just happened to have ishikis exact weakness which is aging because of his vessel just one punch from naruto was fatal since he used his own power and siphoned it from his own body aka his own soul and burned it as fule and naruto became immune to all of ishikis hax like his rod and his timeless dimension seals etc so it was plot that beat ishhiki
Any of the participants in the first round can solo Yhwach, if Ichigo, who has lower status than them and has zero hax, can't do it, there's no way much superior characters like the Otsutsuki can't do it.
Any of the participants in the first round can solo Yhwach, if Ichigo, who has lower status than them and has zero hax, can't do it, there's no way much superior characters like the Otsutsuki can't do it.
Any of the participants in the first round can solo Yhwach, if Ichigo, who has lower status than them and has zero hax, can't do it, there's no way much superior characters like the Otsutsuki can't do it.
Absolutely dogwalks round 1,2 and absorbs 3. after that its Draw.
Kaguya and her team are each universal for creating parallel dimensions and space-times. There is also scaling of the gods cracking the space time continuum. Momo being able to absorb his dimension. Yhwach at most multi universal. He doesn’t get the complex multiversal scaling like this father. These character together in round 1 are more.
Chaos is immune to almighty as is superior to Ikaros who resisted plot manipulation. Chaos also withstood multiple shots from Zeus which is synapse strongest weapon. I have to copy the post I seen it on. I do try my best to phrase it. Synapse was stated to destroy many parallel universes and other dimensions in a hyper-dimension. It is shown the main universe has several layers of other dimensions and alone with having multiple timelines. Yhwach could not hurt Chaos if she laid down.
The medium cannot killed. He can only be sealed. Yhwach has no say when Medium pulls down a god from the higher dimension that can create and destroy universes on a whip.
Synapse was stated to have destroyed multiple universes around a hyperdimension
Chaos withstood Synpase strongest large scale weapon. They made the big bang, Cards which can warp reality on a planetary to fictional level, and the rule which affect timelines.
she’s above medium unless he’s on Sinbad level and Midors
@ilyas97: literally kaguya has erasure and momoshiki can just freeze time or replace him with his soul with a karma or just turn him into a chakra fruit
@estrelladeleonn: as I said they can’t kill Yhwach, because of the Almighty. None of these characters can bypass it.
If they can and please post scans. 👍🏻
Gudoudamas can be used to nullify Yhwach's immortality, the aggravating difficulty would be that Yhwach has knowledge of the capabilities of the spheres and would avoid close-range combat, however Kaguya can use the gudoudama genesis and consume the entire world, Yhwach cannot has teleportation abilities and also cannot survive in space, unlike Kaguya who, like any Otsutsuki, can do this normally, so we would already have a guaranteed victory for Kaguya here.
Isshiki can simply impale Yhwach with black sticks, one of the properties of these sticks is to desynchronize the enemy's energy (the chakra most commonly) and prevent him from using his abilities, from the moment Yhwach is incapacitated, he simply absorbs it. him completely or throw him into a portal to the dimension where time does not pass, based on the operating principle of A in which he alters the future, his power would be of no use since in a place without time there is no future . Maybe it wouldn't be an absolute victory since Yhwach would stay alive forever in the form of a statue there in that dimension, but it can be considered a victory for the Otsutsuki.
Momoshiki would have the greatest difficulty here since his skills are more direct combat but he still has the means to disable Yhwach with the black sticks and absorb him like he did with Kinshiki.
@ilyas97: literally kaguya has erasure and momoshiki can just freeze time or replace him with his soul with a karma or just turn him into a chakra fruit
I don't believe that Momoshiki can actually stop time as a form of combat, it seems to me to only be useful for non-hostile interactions such as karma implantation or conversation. When he stops time, that characteristic white fog appears, somehow Urashiki stored this fog in a container and used it as a weapon to "pause" the Toneri for 10,000 years but it was a very specific use with a previously prepared item.
@estrelladeleonn: as I said they can’t kill Yhwach, because of the Almighty. None of these characters can bypass it.
Cute. Omega Shenron absorbs the fodder, Galaxia conceptually strips him of his existence and his information on a universal scale, Darsh erases him from the laws of causality with a punch and negates his regeneration, Haumea reality warps him out of existence.
Good enough for you, wanna read anything outside of Bleach before commenting on threads or nah?
@ilyas97: literally kaguya has erasure and momoshiki can just freeze time or replace him with his soul with a karma or just turn him into a chakra fruit
I don't believe that Momoshiki can actually stop time as a form of combat, it seems to me to only be useful for non-hostile interactions such as karma implantation or conversation.
she can it just doesnt work for combat because it wont work on so6p users so she cant use it on the likes of naruto and sasuke
When he stops time, that characteristic white fog appears, somehow Urashiki stored this fog in a container and used it as a weapon to "pause" the Toneri for 10,000 years but it was a very specific use with a previously prepared item. he used it on toneri as a seal not the same thing momoshiki uses it momoshiki has several abilities she couldnt use against naruto for either plot or because they were immune
I don’t really know about r1 but imma probably edge it out to Naruto team cause of Kaguya’s IT. So not sure if he really starts. But if all goes well and he beats r1 then he probably stops at 2-3.
@kasya_carey: The "Hyperversal" Gods in Magi simply exist in those dimensions higher than the previous one. There is no evidence they can destroy those dimensions even if they view them as basically fiction. Magi characters stop at Star Levels and the highest possible Gods are maybe Universal with wank.
Sailor Moon being Universal is fine.
GT and the Z anime characters can destroy the Macrocosm easily too. But the thing with them is that the DB Macrocosm is infinitely above the Sailor Moon verse and even has higher dimensions.
@kasya_carey: The "Hyperversal" Gods in Magi simply exist in those dimensions higher than the previous one. There is no evidence they can destroy those dimensions even if they view them as basically fiction. Magi characters stop at Star Levels and the highest possible Gods are maybe Universal with wank.
Sailor Moon being Universal is fine.
GT and the Z anime characters can destroy the Macrocosm easily too. But the thing with them is that the DB Macrocosm is infinitely above the Sailor Moon verse and even has higher dimensions.
@kingogkings777: Yes. That's valid too. Those "higher" dimensions were never even confirmed to be actual coordinate spaces. It's just weird reality vs fiction stuff. Many verses have that and it is mostly unquantifiable with it at best being Universal+ if the characters in this case surpass the insignificant "fiction" characters infinitely. Magi is wanked a lot.
Synapse was stated to have destroyed multiple universes around a hyperdimension
Chaos withstood Synpase strongest large scale weapon. They made the big bang, Cards which can warp reality on a planetary to fictional level, and the rule which affect timelines.
she’s above medium unless he’s on Sinbad level and Midors
Seems nothing about destroying universe's just planets in other dimensions. Pretty sure yhwach rewrite the cosmology and the concepts of life and death to his liking according to cfyow. Yhwach is also immortal via controlling the future so he always not only that he can inflict permanent damage regardless of your regeneration through future manipulation and he's immune to all abilites.
@estrelladeleonn: as I said they can’t kill Yhwach, because of the Almighty. None of these characters can bypass it.
If they can and please post scans. 👍🏻
Gudoudamas can be used to nullify Yhwach's immortality, the aggravating difficulty would be that Yhwach has knowledge of the capabilities of the spheres and would avoid close-range combat, however Kaguya can use the gudoudama genesis and consume the entire world, Yhwach cannot has teleportation abilities and also cannot survive in space, unlike Kaguya who, like any Otsutsuki, can do this normally, so we would already have a guaranteed victory for Kaguya here.
Yhwach literally powernulled a ability that powernulls on panel and your telling tso is somehow relevant. Tso negates ninjustu not regenerate. It couldn't stop Sakuras regeneration let alone yhwachs future regeneration. Yhwach can teleport cross dimension he does this on panel many times. Kaguya needs prep for etso yhwach would power stripped her and killed her with the almighty which does permanent damage regardless of your level of regen.
Isshiki can simply impale Yhwach with black sticks, one of the properties of these sticks is to desynchronize the enemy's energy (the chakra most commonly) and prevent him from using his abilities, from the moment Yhwach is incapacitated, he simply absorbs it. him completely or throw him into a portal to the dimension where time does not pass, based on the operating principle of A in which he alters the future, his power would be of no use since in a place without time there is no future . Maybe it wouldn't be an absolute victory since Yhwach would stay alive forever in the form of a statue there in that dimension, but it can be considered a victory for the Otsutsuki.
charkra rods are not that stacked lmao even naruto and sasuke were still using abilites while implied by them. Sasuke used swap,naruto used clones hell even killer bee used a bijuu bomb while being bind. Also even if does yhwach used the almighty while dead and when ichibei took away all his power and abilites conceptual. The otsutsuki team is getting cooked no way around it
Momoshiki would have the greatest difficulty here since his skills are more direct combat but he still has the means to disable Yhwach with the black sticks and absorb him like he did with Kinshiki.
@undre: Not to butt in but Hiyori stated in the licenses dubbed by funimation… She saw many parallel worlds and many timelines within them. That alone lets you know she meant universes and its even higher due to the parallel worlds have many timelines. She on to say she saw countless past and infinite futures. She went on to say Tomoki only exist in this world and only on this timeline to further prove each parallel dimension has multiple timelines.
Sugata went on to say this is ridiculous you mean to tell me every timeline and every dimension suffers the same fate as Synapse destroyed them.
You pit Yhwach against these same Lolis every 3-5 business days. If you have them that high then where do you have Yhwach for this to be considered fair.
@kasya_carey: The "Hyperversal" Gods in Magi simply exist in those dimensions higher than the previous one.
Hyperversal terms we don´t use here, plus those existing in higher dimensions, than the previous one gives already the advantage that anyone in the list is unable to interact with them by default.
There is no evidence they can destroy those dimensions even if they view them as basically fiction.
Like Sinbad who literally destroyed a universe in his hand, including Il Illah?
Magi characters stop at Star Levels and the highest possible Gods are maybe Universal with wank.
Star level by a consistent universal feat? You probably confuse DBS with Magi, is that possible?
Sailor Moon being Universal is fine.
Sure.
GT and the Z anime characters can destroy the Macrocosm easily too.
Only a hand full can do that. The only one who does that consistently and not over time was Zeno. The rest doesn´t have any universal feats that lead to the collapse of a single universe.
But the thing with them is that the DB Macrocosm is infinitely above the Sailor Moon verse and even has higher dimensions.
The infinite stuff for the Macrocosms was debunked several times and no, DB doesn´t have any legit higher dimensional structures. Thats just made up fanon by VSB with hypertimelines, which were taken out of context and doesn´t have any credit here. Meanwhile you have with Magi, Bastard!! and Fire Force 3 verses who actual uses dimensional BS. Not that dimensional Tiering will be relevant anyway.
@kingogkings777: Yes. That's valid too. Those "higher" dimensions were never even confirmed to be actual coordinate spaces.
It is more like a universe within a universe, going by the Sacred Palace. Dragonball doesn´t even have that, so i don´t know where that fanfic comes from.
It's just weird reality vs fiction stuff. Many verses have that and it is mostly unquantifiable with it at best being Universal+ if the characters in this case surpass the insignificant "fiction" characters infinitely.
Not as much verses as you think, plus Magi hasn´t reality vs fiction stuff by default. When Il Illah influenced the universe, it was basically only a world that was influenced by its fate. Il Illah is a mindless being that works on the verse unconsiously, while Ugo took over Il Illah and manipulate his power in every way he wanted. Let any of the DB characters resist fate manipulation at first before we go into the reality-fiction wank.
Magi is wanked a lot.
Man i hear here infinitely bigger Macrocosm and higher dimensions in Dragonball. Calling Magi "wanked a lot" is a bit hypocrite don´t you think? All that Dragonball wank was debunked several times over the years. My man we have 2024, not 2016.
Anyway, to go back to the actual Topic. He stops at 4 for sure, possible even at 2 or 3.
Wait was the medium in Magi ever impressive.. didn't he get toasted by djinn Sinbad or am I misremembering. He should be the weakest in this list by far.
Wait was the medium in Magi ever impressive.. didn't he get toasted by djinn Sinbad or am I misremembering. He should be the weakest in this list by far.
I am not sure about it, at all. I was going more with how difficult it was to break through the borglike wall of Dark Djins and then stop the Medium from regnerating. Like he regenerated from nothing with his Dark Ruhk. But i guess Yhwach should have not much problems with low-godly regen alike? Ofc the list isn´t really in order, but tbf when The Medium isn´t restricted to summon Il Illah, he can be placed technically higher. Without however, no.
The medium had pretty good regen but I don't remember it regenerating from nothing. It could have being destroyed if they had more power.
His borg is good but it can Also be broken with raw power. Yhwach AP eclipse any character in the arc at that point and no one is going to sit and watch it summon il-Alah.
I don't know most people on the gauntlet. But I guess you can argue a 50:50 with Midora. If the dudes after Midora are more powerful and have a way around Almighty then he stops at Midora
The medium had pretty good regen but I don't remember it regenerating from nothing. It could have being destroyed if they had more power.
Hmm yeah, he was more ripped into pieces:
Basically they have "only" to destroy every trace of the Black Rukh Particles/Crystals
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His borg is good but it can Also be broken with raw power. Yhwach AP eclipse any character in the arc at that point and no one is going to sit and watch it summon il-Alah.
Well, the power of like 11 or 13 vessels was said to be a thread for the entire world, while there were even more Vessels in action against the Medium. But by feats it goes all the time around beyond mountain up to island level i would say. I know Yhwach can be scalled much higher then that alone.
I don't know most people on the gauntlet. But I guess you can argue a 50:50 with Midora. If the dudes after Midora are more powerful and have a way around Almighty then he stops at Midora
The people after Midora are indeed entire levels beyond his own capacity, be it in hax, defenses and immortality. The Blackstar Dragons have less hax then Midora, but much more firepower.
You pit Yhwach against these same Lolis every 3-5 business days. If you have them that high then where do you have Yhwach for this to be considered fair.
Yhwach is cosmic levels scaling in base massively above all of Squad 0. If each one is multi solar system level then that makes him possibly galaxy level in base.
@kasya_carey: The "Hyperversal" Gods in Magi simply exist in those dimensions higher than the previous one. There is no evidence they can destroy those dimensions even if they view them as basically fiction. Magi characters stop at Star Levels and the highest possible Gods are maybe Universal with wank.
Sailor Moon being Universal is fine.
GT and the Z anime characters can destroy the Macrocosm easily too. But the thing with them is that the DB Macrocosm is infinitely above the Sailor Moon verse and even has higher dimensions.
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