Can he completely slow the scarab (DCEU blue beetle) before it hits the planet? He must overpower its KE with the force.
Again, not in this context. The OP is showing an entire planet being shattered from surface to core. Saying a character is "planetary" because they have planetary range is irrelevant here, as planet-busting power is what's obviously needed in this case. The reddit post completely casts doubt on the notion that Plagueis was using his own power to alter the weather. Not only is the weather change after he leaves, but no such thing happens when he visits other planets. Naboo's horrible winters are mentioned in the book itself, and worst of all, there's no mention of it being Plagueis' doing at all.Being extremely charitable, you could argue Plagueis' presence caused a delayed negative response in nature after he left. But that's headcanon. And even then it isn't any evidence of planetary power lol. It wouldn't help him here in the slightest.
You're just repeating what you said in your original post. The OP is asking about if Vader would be able to counter a planetary attack, which includes planet-busting. Since he is planetary at the very least, the answer is yes. No such thing happening when Plagueis visits other planets is a terrible way of debunking this. Katarr was said to have been drained when Nihilus so much as spoke, yet when Nihilus spoke in KOTOR 2, Telos wasn't drained. It doesn't matter if it was Plagueis's mere presence that caused it or if it was he was using his power to do it. It's still a planetary feat. As for Naboo's winters being mentioned, I'm well aware. However, that doesn't help your case as it contributes nothing to saying Plagueis didn't cause a winter way colder than any the Naboo or Gungans had ever seen.
The computer was overconfident, just as many villains are. Starkiller destroyed the supercomputer Core, the source of the "planetwide" mind, destroying its connection to the outside. Note that the wiki entry agrees with me as well. "Could" means capable of. And the idea that a planetary character would be mortally threatened by a ceiling collapse is laughable. A fragment of his power would've been enough to deflect a ceiling many times over if he was actually planetary. But he isn't.
Overconfidence is irrelevant. Everything in that passage points to Starkiller not being able to directly fry the core due to how wide it spread, including Starkiller's own opinion, which is why he himself thought it was unkillable. He had to resort to frying every single individual processor that made up the entire planetwide network.
Why are we using wiki entries here? Anyone could've written that. Hell, you probably could've written that just now and acted like someone super knowledgeable wrote it. This just makes your credibility all the more questionable considering that your other argument is based off a random subreddit that's literally centered around character hate. And again, being planetary doesn't make you immortal. Nihilus is planetary and got killed by a regular lightsaber. You argue that a lightsaber is way more fatal than a ceiling collapse? Well let's see how a massively pre-prime Starkiller fared against a lightsaber.
From what I remember, Starkiller ended up survivng this, unlike Nihilus.
This is about being planetary. I will bring Nihilus into it if it fuels my argument. And it doesn't matter if it was "confirmed" or not. For the second time, you haven't rebutted against the passage connecting Plagueis and the Winter, and instead repeat what you've said in your prior posts and run off to the reddit post. This is not how debating works. You are supposed to do the debating, not a reddit post. And again, planetary means you can defend planetary attack I've explained this countless times yet you keep repeating what you said in your first post.
I'm not shifting anything. Using basic inference skills, the passage is trying to connect Plagueis and the Winter, and so far you've no response other than your precious reddit post which I've already debunked.
Nihilus doesn't fuel your arguments, because the argument we're having isn't about Nihilus lol. Why pivot to a completely different character and powerset? There's nothing to rebut because there's no clear feat occurring in that passage. A bad winter occurred after Plagueis had long left the planet. No mention of it being done through his own power, no mention of any unnatural disturbances while he's on planet, no evidence of this being part of his powerset any other time he visits the same planet. It's beyond worthless in a thread where a whole planet is being busted in the OP. And that wouldn't change even if Plagueis had performed it, as planet busting >>>>>>>>> making a harsh winter unquantifiably colder.
"Basic inference skills"? You might as well be saying "it's just common sense." Anyone could say the same. What if basic inference skills lead someone to believe that the winter was just a bad omen, like a storm brewing in the air when a villain arrives or when a big battle takes place?
LMAO I'm not the one who needs to get real when you're literally trying to use a fan site to back your case up. The true reality here is that you've no proper source backing your argument up, and as soon as you realize I'm not some idiot who blindly buys into everything he reads and knows how to evaluate the credibility of sources, you start panicking. And yeah you can go ahead and read through my debates with others, see how much, or more accurately how little, I attack credibility. Hell, this might even be my first time attacking credibility and I think my opponent trying to use an article from a fan site is a justified reason to attack credibility, unlike usernames lmao. And drifting off-topic a little, my username is even more irrelevant given that if CV had the option I would've changed it months ago. And as for your final point, it's called inferring. Unlike you, I'm capable of making inferences and using basic context skills, meanwhile here you are spamming your reddit post blindly believing that the guy who wrote it somehow knows everything and that anyone who disagrees with him must be wrong.
The wiki was just to show that there are fans who read the book and disagree with your interpretation of the feat. That's it. It's not something you need to get winded up about. And I don't know why it would make you think someone's legit panicking in a Comic Vine debate. Nothing's on the line here dude...
I don't actually think you're noncredible lol. It was just weirdly paranoid to see you saying "ignore the reddit thread because it's from a biased hate sub" and "maybe you personally edited the wiki so you could confront me with it". Maybe actually address the points rather than trying to sweep the whole thread away because it comes from a sub you don't like. It's not like it would be more or less credible just by being posted somewhere else. And who's blindly believing? The reddit thread had sources. All they did was compile them in one spot and draw a line between them to make an argument, same as anyone else. I posted it because the context it provides makes Plagueis' "feat" far less impressive than what you were portraying. And again, using your "basic inference skills" as your main evidence gets us nowhere. Because the argument is obviously about whether that inference is fair in the first place lmao.
Did you even read the novel quote I provided? Which by the way are legit unlike your little fan article. Not only does everything in the passage point to Starkiller not being able to fry the computer directly, including his own opinion, the scan describes Starkiller frying every single processor that made up the entire planetwide network, and how he needed to use his emotions to do it, and how he was so surprised by the potency of his lightning. Starkiller prior has already accomplished several crazy feats so I don't think he'd be so surprised if it was just a few processors in that room he was frying.
I forgot to address that quote, thanks for reminding. Yes, the Core's processors were fried. But you forgot to mention that those processors (the neural network) were inside the Core's lair. Aka where the fight took place, not distributed across the planet:
We see above that the processors are in the lair and are all cable-linked, and we know that the Core needs cables to connect those processors to the outside world too:
And we know that sending electricity through just one of the Core's cables is enough to affect every single processor in that lair:
We're already shown earlier that Force Lightning conducts through cables just like electricity, so this wouldn't even qualify as a range feat:
So, Galen enters the lair and sees the Core's processors linked by cables; he enters the main chamber to confront the Core; he shows that sending electricity into a single cable damages all the linked processors in that lair; we know that Force Lightning freely travels through cable; then he grabs a processor and burns through all the ones in the lair thanks to having the cables as an electric conduit. There's nothing remotely planetary about this beyond seeing the words "planetwide mind" and going into a battleboarding frenzy. The wiki's synopsis looks perfectly reasonable.
As per usual, you ignore debunks to your argument and repeat what you said in your previous post. I already showed Nihilus, who we both agree is planetary, getting killed by a lightsaber, and then a massively pre-prime Starkiller survivng one, and your "argument" to this is disresgarding the Nihilus stuff, repeating what you said before, and straight-up putting words in my mouth, which is just fallacious and another credibility suicide point for you. And to address your 2nd bullet point, I'm not sure how it bolsters your argument when you're the one who's trying to argue that planetary force users should be way more durable than ceiling level, but if this is a means to cope, who am I to get in the way?
The reason I repeat them is obviously because I don't think you've addressed them very well. We probably don't agree about Nihilus in all honesty, but discussing him at the same time as these other two would drag these replies out more than they already are. It bolsters my argument because I clearly don't think these characters are planetary, so a falling ceiling being a threat to them wouldn't be as inconsistent for me as it would for you. And again with the credibility lol.
Nihilus doesn't fuel your arguments, because the argument we're having isn't about Nihilus lol. Why pivot to a completely different character and powerset? There's nothing to rebut because there's no clear feat occurring in that passage. A bad winter occurred after Plagueis had long left the planet. No mention of it being done through his own power, no mention of any unnatural disturbances while he's on planet, no evidence of this being part of his powerset any other time he visits the same planet. It's beyond worthless in a thread where a whole planet is being busted in the OP. And that wouldn't change even if Plagueis had performed it, as planet busting >>>>>>>>> making a harsh winter unquantifiably colder.
Nihilus fuels my argument because he is undoubtedly planetary, and Plagueis scales above him. Simple as that. This is the third time you repeat what you said in your first post. I've said the author wouldn't bring that up for no reason if he wasn't trying to connect Plagueis and the Winter, and so far you have not provided anything of value to rebut it. And yeah I've also clarified this countless times. If a character is planetary, they can defend against a planetary attack, the thread is asking if Vader can stop it, not if Vader can perform it.
"Basic inference skills"? You might as well be saying "it's just common sense." Anyone could say the same. What if basic inference skills lead someone to believe that the winter was just a bad omen, like a storm brewing in the air when a villain arrives or when a big battle takes place?
Uh no because your inference would involve ignoring the context of the entire quote and then using some random Palpatine quote that comes 7 pages later and act like that weighs more than the immediate surrounding context.
The wiki was just to show that there are fans who read the book and disagree with your interpretation of the feat. That's it. It's not something you need to get winded up about. And I don't know why it would make you think someone's legit panicking in a Comic Vine debate. Nothing's on the line here dude...
I don't actually think you're noncredible lol. It was just weirdly paranoid to see you saying "ignore the reddit thread because it's from a biased hate sub" and "maybe you personally edited the wiki so you could confront me with it". Maybe actually address the points rather than trying to sweep the whole thread away because it comes from a sub you don't like. It's not like it would be more or less credible just by being posted somewhere else. And who'sblindly believing? The reddit thread had sources. All they did was compile them in one spot and draw a line between them to make an argument, same as anyone else. I posted it because the context it provides makes Plagueis' "feat" far less impressive than what you were portraying. And again, using your "basic inference skills" as your main evidence gets us nowhere. Because the argument is obviously about whether that inference is fair in the first place lmao.
Then... can't I do the same? There are people such as Eredin12, who is probably the most knowledgeable guy on Starkiller, who also agree it's a planetary feat. But you haven't seen me use that as an argument. Because we debate actual source material, not fan opinions.
I did address them lmao this is just further evidence you don't even read my arguments. Literally in my first response to you, I addressed your points, and so far, you have not rebutted them properly. You give off the impression that you refuse to believe anything that disagrees with it due to your repeating of your old points that I've debunked. That is all. Inference involves using context, and context is what immediately surrounds the quote, not a random character line 7 pages later claiming that he hates Naboo's winters.
I forgot to address that quote, thanks for reminding. Yes, the Core's processors were fried. But you forgot to mention that those processors (the neural network) were inside the Core's lair. Aka where the fight took place, not distributed across the planet:
Yes.
We see above that the processors are in the lair and are all cable-linked, and we know that the Core needs cables to connect those processors to the outside world too:
Indeed they are all cable-linked.
And we know that sending electricity through just one of the Core's cables is enough to affect every single processor in that lair:
Because they're all linked by the same cables.
We're already shown earlier that Force Lightning conducts through cables just like electricity, so this wouldn't even qualify as a range feat:
This doesn't prove that Starkiller wasn't manually directing the lightning with the force. Otherwise all force users would get electrocuted when blocking force lightning with their lightsabers, as both plasma and metal are conductors. Lightning works a bit differently in this fictional universe surprisingly.
So, Galen enters the lair and sees the Core's processors linked by cables; he enters the main chamber to confront the Core; he shows that sending electricity into a single cable damages all the linked processors in that lair; we know that Force Lightning freely travels through cable; then he grabs a processor and burns through all the ones in the lair thanks to having the cables as an electric conduit.There's nothing remotely planetary about this beyond seeing the words "planetwide mind" and going into a battleboarding frenzy. The wiki's synopsis looks perfectly reasonable.
All of them got damaged because they're all linked by the same cables. The lightning was not traveling freely. Based on how lightning works in Star Wars, Starkiller was very likely manually directing his lightning through the cables. And what do we also have? Confirmation that the cables and power lines do indeed go beyond the core room.
So overall, we have Starkiller frying every single processor and cable with force lightning, that he needs to manually direct, as that's how lightning works in Star Wars, and then we have further confirmation that the cables do extend to the outside world. This feat has all the basis to be counted as planetary, and as further evidence that Starkiller is capable of such a feat, we have him matching Sidious in their fight and making him desperate. Sidious has displayed his planetary abilities through draining and mind-controlling Byss, a planet with a population of over 20 billion.
The reason I repeat them is obviously because I don't think you've addressed them very well. We probably don't agree about Nihilus in all honesty, but discussing him at the same time as these other two would drag these replies out more than they already are. It bolsters my argument because I clearly don't think these characters are planetary, so a falling ceiling being a threat to them wouldn't be as inconsistent for me as it would for you.And again with the credibility lol.
That is unfortunately how debating works on the internet. As both sides bring more sources in, the replies and counters get longer with each post. I did already provide evidence of Starkiller surviving something that killed Nihilus, and since you're the one who thinks that planetary force users are supposed to be super durable, you can think that Nihilus isn't planetary, even though that's objectively false.
We're talking about Plagueis' feat, not Plagueis' scaling. The fact that you're pivoting to scaling now makes me wonder if you even think this "feat" is actually planetary on its own. If he's planetary by feats, you shouldn't need scaling to convince anyone.
The repetition is due to you not adding anything new to your argument. Plagueis' prior visit being mentioned doesn't mean the cruel winter was actually caused by him. It's just as easily an order of events, as it is cause and effect. We have no reason to believe a several month delayed natural effect (that for some reason only happens once) is part of Plagueis' abilities. It honestly sounds silly just imagining it.
I don't think you comprehend what "planetary" means for the purpose of this OP. Having planetary range is not indicative of planet-busting power. A planetary telepath can't stop a planet-busting meteor just because his powers range across the planet. A planetary weather adjuster, which you say Plagueis is, can't either. It's like you see the word "planet" and your brain shuts down.
I initially brought up scaling and then Wolf asked me about feats, which is when I brought feats in. And no, the feat itself proves he has planetary range, the scaling solidifies his ability to destroy planets.
Because you're not adding anything new either. I debunked the reddit post you sent me, and rather than addressing those debunks, you instead repeated what you said in your original post, which is why I've also been repeating since then. And again, it makes no sense for them to randomly bring up the Winter being colder in succession to Plagueis visiting the planet if it's supposed to just be a coincidence and contributes nothing to the story. That's just a weird writing choice.
This is so laughably easy to tear apart and just proves that you're the one whose brain has shut down. Read the definition of a planetary character and my arguments, as I have never once said this feat alone puts Plagueis capable of destroying planets.
So yeah being able to defend against a planetary attack very much suffices as being planetary yourself. Scaling above Nihilus in power, who has planetary destruction feats, means that you are capable of doing it as well. That is how scaling works. I never once tried using the one feat to say Plagueis had the ability to destroy planets, I was using it as IU evidence that Plagueis has planetary abilities.
Dude. The context is the novel saying the winter that followed months after Plagueis' departure was particularly cold. That's it. No need to ignore it, as it's not particularly solid evidence in the first place. Palpatine describing Naboo's cold winters is highly relevant in a debate on whether the harsh winter was even man-made. And why couldn't it just be a bad omen like I already mentioned?
The context of the quote is that after Plagueis' visit to Naboo, the planet experienced a Winter colder than any of the Gungans or Naboo could recall, and now you're trying to argue that Palpatine's remark on wishing Naboo had milder winters overshadows the immediate context of the quote? Nothing points to it being a bad omen, as it foreshadows nothing. That is purely headcanonical.
Given that I disagree with Eredin12 routinely on his interpretations, which usually go against other wiki entries as well, it's not particularly convincing to have him in your corner lol. The wiki on the other hand doesn't have a vested interest in highballing or lowballing characters, so generally their input is something I take into account.
Unfortunately for you, agreeing with fan 1 more than you agree with fan 2 does not make the former any more credible than the latter. Both Eredin and the guy who wrote the wiki are just fans, and you should not be using their own opinions as part of your argument. We use legitimate sources. You can take their input into account for yourself, but if you expect to win arguments with it, you need to revise your debating techniques.
What does blocking FL have to do with the fact that the cables can conduct large electrical surges regardless of intent? If someone electrocutes a piece of metal, it's not like they choose whether or not the electricity travels through each atom. It's a property of the metal, or the cables in this case.
This isn't about blocking. If lightning worked the same way in SW as it did in real life, anyone who tried to block lightning with a lightsaber would get instantly electrocuted. Based off what we've seen in Star Wars, lightning does not auto conduct through metal and plasma like it would in real life. But if you want evidence of force users controlling the conduction of lightning, let us consult TFU 2.
There's no evidence that Galen had to consciously navigate his lightning through the cables. The cables just conducted whatever he gave them to other connected processors and cables. Not that it changes my argument if he did. And nobody disagreed that the cables go beyond the room. I'm literally the one who posted that lol. It's how the Core's processors control tech beyond the lair.
Other than the fact we know that force lightning doesn't auto-conduct as seen every time someone blocks lightning with a saber. Based on what we know about force lightning, the cables themselves would not have auto-conducted Starkiller's force lightning.
We have Galen frying every single processor. The processors are in the lair only. So this wouldn't be a planetary feat, as he's just grabbing the nearest processor and sending enough lightning into it to fry every other piece of connected tech in the lair. We're not told that all the tech outside was fried, but even if we were, the range would be thanks to the conduction of the cables, not Galen emitting lightning over the surface of the planet or something.
I don't know what any of that has to do with the Core feat. If you're using scaling, just say so. We can discuss the scaling instead of the feats you think are planetary on their own.
The processors were fried, yes. So were the cables as they were described to be in a complete tangle and experiencing a brainstorm.
If the tech outside was damaged from the wires, it was again because Starkiller conducted the lightning through the wires, not that the wires themselves auto-conducted Starkiller's lightning.
So then you do agree that Starkiller is planetary? I thought this debate was about Starkiller being planetary as a whole instead of just the one feat as you just prior were saying stuff like "If Starkiller is planetary, he shouldn't be dying from a ceiling collapse."
Sure, but debating also works by keeping a debate on topic so things stay focused. When we jump to different things without resolving the previous points, nothing productive is happening. My initial comment didn't say "no FUs are planetary." I took issue with two very specific feats you were using.
That's what I was thinking as well but when you brought up the whole ceiling collapse thing, that was when I thought you were disputing Starkiller being planetary as a whole.
I initially brought up scaling and then Wolf asked me about feats, which is when I brought feats in. And no, the feat itself proves he has planetary range, the scaling solidifies his ability to destroy planets.
Because you're not adding anything new either. I debunked the reddit post you sent me, and rather than addressing those debunks, you instead repeated what you said in your original post, which is why I've also been repeating since then. And again, it makes no sense for them to randomly bring up the Winter being colder in succession to Plagueis visiting the planet if it's supposed to just be a coincidence and contributes nothing to the story. That's just a weird writing choice.
This is so laughably easy to tear apart and just proves that you're the one whose brain has shut down. Read the definition of a planetary character and my arguments, as I have never once said this feat alone puts Plagueis capable of destroying planets.
What's weird is that you even admit later that this specific feat doesn't make Plagueis planetary. So I have no clue why we're even arguing here. Range is not destructive power, even if Plagueis were responsible for all this.
You didn't debunk the reddit post. Your only responses to it were either attacking the sub it came from or saying "basic inference skills" back up your interpretation. If that's a debunk in your eyes, then by all means. It makes perfect sense to bring up Plagueis' departure before the winter, because it's a chronological order of events. What doesn't make sense is for Plagueis' power to have caused a months-long delayed effect due to his presence, when it's not one of his established powers and never occurs any other time.
The funny thing is that the definition you linked is the same one I've been trying to argue for lol. Let's take a look:
So yeah being able to defend against a planetary attack very much suffices as being planetary yourself. Scaling above Nihilus in power, who has planetary destruction feats, means that you are capable of doing it as well. That is how scaling works. I never once tried using the one feat to say Plagueis had the ability to destroy planets, I was using it as IU evidence that Plagueis has planetary abilities.
Correct, defending against an attack that can destroy a planet or destroying one yourself makes you planetary. Finally agreed. You know what doesn't fit either of those criteria? Causing an already cold winter on a planet to become unquantifiably colder. That's neither destroying a planet, or defending against a planet-busting attack. And you did try to use this feat to prove that FUs were planetary. This was one of your two pieces of proof when you responded to @sunshinedobbs and @wolfrazer.
The context of the quote is that after Plagueis' visit to Naboo, the planet experienced a Winter colder than any of the Gungans or Naboo could recall, and now you're trying to argue that Palpatine's remark on wishing Naboo had milder winters overshadows the immediate context of the quote? Nothing points to it being a bad omen, as it foreshadows nothing. That is purely headcanonical.
No, I'm saying that Palpatine saying Naboo's winters are harsh gives reason to believe that a particularly harsh winter doesn't need an unnatural explanation. Weather changes occurring during villainous appearances or decisive moments is a staple in fiction; it doesn't mean we attribute those environmental effects to the "weather-altering powers" of the characters involved. Especially not Plagueis, who's demonstrated no such ability or passive effect during any other visit. Not to mention the hilarity of the supposed feat occurring months after he'd left.
Unfortunately for you, agreeing with fan 1 more than you agree with fan 2 does not make the former any more credible than the latter. Both Eredin and the guy who wrote the wiki are just fans, and you should not be using their own opinions as part of your argument. We use legitimate sources. You can take their input into account for yourself, but if you expect to win arguments with it, you need to revise your debating techniques.
You don't see a difference between you citing one of your battleboarding friends who often has a generous view of these characters to argue their victories in VS debates, and me citing a wiki, which is contributed to by many fans and is supposed to be a neutral recounting of lore for fans from all corners of the Internet?
This isn't about blocking. If lightning worked the same way in SW as it did in real life, anyone who tried to block lightning with a lightsaber would get instantly electrocuted. Based off what we've seen in Star Wars, lightning does not auto conduct through metal and plasma like it would in real life. But if you want evidence of force users controlling the conduction of lightning, let us consult TFU 2.
Other than the fact we know that force lightning doesn't auto-conduct as seen every time someone blocks lightning with a saber. Based on what we know about force lightning, the cables themselves would not have auto-conducted Starkiller's force lightning.
The lightsaber could just be able to insulate the user from the effects of electricity. That's not evidence FL doesn't conduct. We know for a fact it conducts because people struck by it experience electricity arcing through their entire bodies, despite the actual impact points of the lightning bolts being small. There's really no debating this, it's a major point of Vader's suit in Legends.
The wiki entry on FL also agrees that it conducts and can be grounded like other types of electricity. And please before you complain that the wiki is lying, I linked one of the sources they used where FL is literally grounded by a metallic object. No one disagrees that FL users can control it, only that FL can conduct freely through things. Also, lightsabers can conduct FL. Windu's FL reflection technique is literally described as a superconducting loop. Since FL conducts through metal, there's no reason to believe Galen's is any different.
The processors were fried, yes. So were the cables as they were described to be in a complete tangle and experiencing a brainstorm.
If the tech outside was damaged from the wires, it was again because Starkiller conducted the lightning through the wires, not that the wires themselves auto-conducted Starkiller's lightning.
Yes, the cables connecting the processors were in tangles. The only thing that was mentioned to be fried were the processors, while the cables connecting the processors were in disarray or potentially damaged. Nothing about tech across the planet being fried, just the neural network in the lair. And again, FL conducts through cable, so the "range" that's occurring in this feat is thanks to the cables. The range also being the lair, not the planet.
So then you do agree that Starkiller is planetary? I thought this debate was about Starkiller being planetary as a whole instead of just the one feat as you just prior were saying stuff like "If Starkiller is planetary, he shouldn't be dying from a ceiling collapse."
I feel like I've been pretty clear that I'm responding to just these two feats. There might be other arguments for planetary Galen, but this ain't it. The ceiling collapse was just a bizarre contradiction I noticed when the passage was supposedly showing planet-busting power output.
This is so laughably easy to tear apart and just proves that you're the one whose brain has shut down. Read the definition of a planetary character and my arguments, as I have never once said this feat alone puts Plagueis capable of destroying planets.
Though question? Why are you bringing up this 'definition' when the actual link to it, just goes into the VS Wiki Tiering System? Which in of itself can be flawed?
There's various views on what is or isn't planetary level sure, it's not just destroying a planet...although I guess if we're going into specifics, I guess planetary level could be that.
But there are also characters who could be planet level, but there destructive capability isn't outright destroying a planet...but they would still be planet level.
Someone actually seemed to sum it up well, there's tiers to it. Which is how I guess I'm viewing it.
I see some SW EU characters as being planet level, but they aren't like...planet busting level, if that makes sense, but they have clear feats within the planet range. So they are still in the category of being planet level.
But regardless, I think this has been sort of a silly tangent to go off on, as Vader in this scenario isn't stopping a planetary object, he's just stopping a fast moving object, which is clearly smaller than a planet.
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