The Power of Nagato Uzumaki

The Power of Nagato Uzumaki

Nagato is often underrepresented on ComicVine and even downplayed at times. He is one of my favourite character, which is why I wanted to make this thread to show his full power at his hypothetical prime.

Originally, this was going to be done in the form of a CaV, but life got in the way for the participants. Instead, I made this, so that it may be used as a reference thread on CV for anything pertaining to Nagato, and any character that would scale to/from him.

For this thread, I’ll be considering cross-verse battles and CaVs. Think of this as a respect thread.

Nagato’s scaling and in-verse standing

Nagato is an extremely powerful Shinobi in the Narutoverse, being the leader of the Akatsuki and the main villain of the first half of Shippuden.

The Akatsuki is composed of S-tier Shinobis, who’re strong enough to defeat Kage-tier Shinobis and hunting the first seven Bijuus. Among others, there's:

• Sasori assassinating the third Kazekage
• Deidara defeating Gaara, the fifth Kazekage
• Kisame defeating Killer B and Roku, both Jinchurikis
• Itachi defeating Orochimaru (a kage Candidate and fellow former Akatsuki member)
• Pain killing Jiraiya (a kage Candidate)

Nagato being their leader, scales above all of them (except for Tobi).

During the War Arc, Kabuto considered him to be his second most powerful reincarnated Shinobi after Madara:

This is significant, because this would put him above the reincarnated Mu, who can stalemate Onoki:

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Onoki himself has island level capabilities, lifting one:

And outright being able to destroy it:

For those that haven’t read Naruto, for most of the plot Nagato was operating as his Pain persona, and in his last moments, was being controlled as a reincarnated puppet. Both his Pains and his reincarnated self would be vastly weaker than his prime:

Therefore, any feat he displayed in the plot, he would substantially scale above.

With this in mind, let’s get to his showings.

Nagato’s AP

His two main big feats from which he upscales has been displayed by his Pain persona when by going all-out.

The first is the large-scale Shinra Tensei he used to flatten the Hidden Leaf Village:

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People downplay this feat to be town/city level for some reason, when he cratered the village hundreds of meters deep:

The village, and thus the crater is larger enough to fit in several mountains:

For reference, the walls on the outskirts are shown to be around 50 meters in height:

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Even by conservative estimates, this would feat come out to be at around multi-mountain level.

His second feat was the Chibaku Tensei, where he levelled and compressed a mountain range:

He was also about to make the CT even bigger had the Kyuubi not been sealed by Minato.

Keep in mind, having accomplished both feats as his vastly weaker persona while himself being a cripple, in addition to him scaling above Onoki means he would be at least island level himself at his prime.

Nagato’s abilities

Being a user of the Rinnegan, he mainly employs the abilities of the Six Paths:

Deva Path:

His most used Path. With a 5 second cooldown in-between, he can push or pull everything in his vicinity. The more power he uses, the bigger the cooldown.

He can also use it in the form of a barrier to repel attacks:

His Chibaku Tensei ability also stems from this Path.

Finally, he can float (presumably using gravity):

Here are the Databook entries about this ability:

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Human Path:

This is Nagato’s one of two soul manipulating abilities. It is a very simple but deadly ability. By making contact he can seemingly paralyze his targets, read their target’s mind and rip their soul out:

Here's the databook entry for this ability:

This ability makes Nagato very deadly in CQC for those that lack soul-rip resistance, since Nagato simply putting his hands on his target can mean at best instant full-knowledge or worst instant death.

Animal Path:

This is Nagato’s main Path used as distractions. He can summon a variety of building-sized animals:

(credits: Rabii99)

These are your standard building-busting Kaiju type monsters, which he can summon multiple of at the same time. Some of his summons have a few uses:

• His hellhound is the hardest to take down, as it can grow head anytime it takes damage and can split itself, so complete destruction is needed to end it.
• His chameleon can go invisible, and Nagato can hide inside of it to make use of that invisibility.
• His raptor provides flight.
• His panda can act as a personal shield

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Finally, Nagato can see through the eyes of very single of his summons, giving him great vision control on the battlefield and makes it hard to take him by surprise:

Here's the databook entry:

Naraka Path:

This is Nagato’s healing ability and other soul-manip. He summons the King of Hell (which also shares Nagato’s vision like his Animal Path summons), who can “eat” him or his allies to completely restore their physical body:

The King of Hell also stores the souls of his victims:

Finally, it can “inflict” judgement by also seemingly paralyzing his opponents and judging them with their tongue:

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Here's the databook entry:

Asura Path:

A weird ability for a verse based on Ninjas, but nonetheless, it provides Nagato with weaponry, ranging from missiles (and heatseeking ones) to chainsaws. It also provides extra limbs:

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Here's the databook entry:

Preta Path:

This is Nagato’s defensive ability, to absorb any chakra based Ninjutsu and convert it into chakra for himself.

Here’s the databook:

This ability, depending on energy equalization/interpretation of Chakra’s components can potentially make or break a match-up. Suddenly, any ability used by his opponents become invalidated and fuel for him to use.

Outer Path:

This is basically his life-sacrificing ability, where he can heal with as many as at least hundreds or even thousands of individuals. It can even breath life to those inhabiting non-living bodies (as seen with Madara):

Here’s the databook:

In a blood lusted/determined to win at all costs setting, he can use this ability to revive his teammates at the cost of his own life.

One final thing to note, Nagato can use several of these Paths at the same time:

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Miscellaneous abilities:

Nagato has a few other abilities at his disposal. For starters, we can safely assume he can use the basics of a Shinobi, such as Transformation Technique, Substitution Technique and Body Flicker Technique (high-speed movement), which are all techniques used by mere Genins.

In addition, he is an adept sensor, being able to pinpoint Kabuto across the Frost country, from inside a barrier:

He can manifest Black Rods, which is his main weapon and can paralyze his opponents and control their movements:

He can use all five elements (Fire, Water, Wind, Lightning and Earth):

We can safely assume he has mastered at the bare minimum the basics of each style as per Jiraiya and by the virtue of being a Rinnegan user.

This offers him elemental versatility at island level.

Finally, though risky to use and something Nagato will only use as a last resort, he can summon the Gedo Mazo to rip chakra out of his opponents, also ripping their souls in the process as well:

Nagato's stats

Strength/Durability

Nagato, for the most part, never uses his strength to overwhelm his opponents, instead preferring his abilities so he lacks main strength feat and would only upscale from shinobis below his level.

Durability:

Although Nagato seems very frail, he has a surprising and frankly very under looked feat:

He tanked a Lariat from B in his V2 state with no damage.

Notice how he tanked the damage beforehe started absorbing B's chakra. We can see this from the visible shockwave of the Lariat, and next panel is only when starts absorbing using his Preta Path.

This Lariat would scale above KN4 Naruto’s feat of making a huge crater by just roaring:

Speed:

Nagato, even in his slightly handicapped and reincarnated self, was able to keep up, out speed and catch off-guard Naruto in his KCM mode and Killer Bee:

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KCM Naruto was able to practically statue the V2 Raikage going at max speed:

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Nowadays, there are two ways to scale this speed:

1) Assuming the Raikage in his V1 state is the same speed as the lowest end of Kirin (mach 500ish) and V2 doubling this speed, Naruto’s speed would come out to be in the realms of sub-relativistic and Nagato kept up with that in his weakened state.

2) Assuming the Raikage upscales from light speed statements such as Haku, Darui and Mifune, Naruto’s speed would easily be FTL, which Nagato would scale to.

Depending on which meta you subscribe to, he can either be sub-rel or FTL.

Conclusion:

Everything shown in this thread were performed by a vastly weaker than what a prime Nagato would be.

Here’s what he can offer in a match.

At island level AP,

Credits to MaulSmacker for providing me with some scans regarding Konoha's size.

Hope you enjoyed this respect thread. If you have anything to add, let me know and I’ll update the thread. Thanks for reading!

@maulsmacker

very nice thread!

I believe there are more speed metas to explore, especially regarding lightspeed and lower tiers, I would post some of the scales regarding speed I've in mind later on.

Shinra tensi does infact seem to be "town/city level", crater is with highball 300+meters. Where is your proof for "Multi mountain level"? Technically this feat is more than enough to destroy a mountain but I'm like 90% sure you're using the vsbw tiering system that puts mountain busting at baseline 100 megatons lol.

It's a nuke tier feat(bar radioactive fallout) but it's no tsar bomba or even half it. A 30kt bomb could probably rep that feat especially considering how those buildings aren't made of tougher materials like Modern day structures. Steel and reinforced concrete etc etc.

Where's the mach 500 feat he scales above, it's not in your analysis post. And Where's naruto's ftl feat?

Analysis score 5/10

@maulsmacker: Thank you!

in depth or diameter?

Diameter.

Given how Konoha severely dwarves the 20km diameter Forest of Death, I doubt the diameter of the Shinra Tensei crater is that small. The Crater also seems like it can contain multiple mountains on one end.

@cav_tighten:

Shinra tensi does infact seem to be "town/city level", crater is with highball 300+meters. Where is your proof for "Multi mountain level"? Technically this feat is more than enough to destroy a mountain but I'm like 90% sure you're using the vsbw tiering system that puts mountain busting at baseline 100 megatons lol.

If you agree with the underlined, then why is this a discussion lol?

Regardless, being able to crater a village (debatably a really large one at that with some calcs putting it at above 40kms across) hundreds of meters deep from a shockwave produced in the sky would seem like multi-mountain to me.

It's a nuke tier feat(bar radioactive fallout) but it's no tsar bomba or even half it. A 30kt bomb could probably rep that feat especially considering how those buildings aren't made of tougher materials like Modern day structures. Steel and reinforced concrete etc etc.

There's 0 way a 30kt bomb can come close to replicating this feat. Nagasaki and Hiroshima nukes were 15/25 kt and didn't crater those cities at all.

Where's the mach 500 feat he scales above, it's not in your analysis post. And Where's naruto's ftl feat?

Kirin's speed, when using the lowest estimate of Cumulonimbus clouds being at 200 meters above ground, means that it striking the ground at 1/1000th of a second would make it mach 500. The Raikage in his V1 state would be at those speeds, V2 would be even faster and Naruto statuing him would reach sub-rel speeds. That's one meta.

The other meta is that it is assumed Raikage in his V1 state operates at above light speed, and Naruto statuing him would make him FTL.

Analysis score 5/10

Fair, thanks for the reading and rating.

@maulsmacker said:

Given how Konoha severely dwarves the 20km diameter Forest of Death, I doubt the diameter of the Shinra Tensei crater is that small. The Crater also seems like it can contain multiple mountains on one end.

??This wasn't in the post. Do you have a clearer image? This does look much larger than what was originally shown here.

@cav_tighten:

- Size of the village doesn't matter, size of the Crater relative to the buildings is what matter. Using the larger than normal(especially for old Japanese buildings) story height of 4.3m gives the entire shockwave plus crater in the image a 376m diameter value. The actual cleared out crater is smaller at less than 160m.

- did it actually crater the rocky ground beneath the buildings? It just seems to wipe the buildings off the surface and those buildings aren't even dozens of meters tall. Unless there's a second part to this feat you haven't shown yet.

You're way off with the diameter value. The entire village was destroyed (40+km diameter), and cratered hundreds of meters deep. Yes, depth. This is what Konoha ordinarily looks like, and isn't a crater:

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-Haven't read on Nagasaki but the little boy dropped on Hiroshima wasn't really detonated in the center of the city. It was detonated on the outskirts where there were few buildings and it still flattened nearly everything in a 800m radius and destroyed buildings built to withstand earthquakes + create a 300+ meter fireball hotter than the surface of the sun which incinerates anything caught in it. Shinra tensei destroys weaker smaller buildings in a much smaller radius. 30kt was being generous.

It doesn't matter if it was outside the city, the Little Boy didn't produce any craters at all, and the fireball is equally irrelevant since ST has no bearings to nuclear fission. The heat also lasts a fraction of a second.

- any images of this feat with all this information on it?

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/kirins-speed-naruto-2081845/

this thread explains it in details.

- uh I don't think you can upscale characters like that but more on that after you actually show the mach 500 feat

Literally why not? A blind, dying and exhausted (and yes, low chakra=slow reactions) Itachi can mentally register and react to Kirin. A healthy MS Sasuke (who scales to/above Itachi) can keep up with V1 Raikage but gets FTE'ed by V2 Raikage, a character who uses lightning as his armor to augment his speed.

- proof etc

I can not give you the myriads of statements regarding light speed characters like Haku, Darui and Mifune at this time (ask Maulsmacker).

Cool

Spot on for the most part.

@cav_tighten said:

@maulsmacker said:

Given how Konoha severely dwarves the 20km diameter Forest of Death, I doubt the diameter of the Shinra Tensei crater is that small. The Crater also seems like it can contain multiple mountains on one end.

??This wasn't in the post. Do you have a clearer image? This does look much larger than what was originally shown here.

well that's the one scan used to quantify the crater and shoot down lowball of it's size, I will make an addition again.

Part I — The Forest of Death is stated to be 10km in radius, so 20km in diameter.

Part II — Konoha is way bigger than the Forest of Death

and the crater is atleast the size of Konoha, so I reckon the crater is substantially larger than even 20km.

@majesticstar: ^ add this in.

Nice.

10/10

@maulsmacker: I'll add it as soon as CV stops trolling me for some reason.

I don't agree with scaling him to Onoki. He is Island level only with Jinton which is atomic disintegration with Island Level AOE.

And he lifted an Island with the jutsu that reduces Gravity. Same way he amplified his own or Raikage's strength by increasing their gravity thus increasing their mass and strength.

Nagato made a hole in the ground that was more than 100m deep and a dozen kms wide. The volume of what he pushed away with his gravity is more than the volume of a mountain.

A nuke wouldn't even blow up a mountain even if detonated on it.

@greythejiren:

I don't agree with scaling him to Onoki. He is Island level only with Jinton which is atomic disintegration with Island Level AOE.

And he lifted an Island with the jutsu that reduces Gravity. Same way he amplified his own or Raikage's strength by increasing their gravity thus increasing their mass and strength.

Why wouldn't Onoki affecting an entire island with his jutsu make him island level? If he can create an island sized AoE attack, then by definition that would make him island level no?

Plus Kabuto deeming Nagato as his second strongest reincarnation (above Mu) should be solid scaling.

- I've already had two people Show me the rest of the destruction. You don't need to unnecessarily tag me a third time to say the same thing unless you somehow didn't see the rest of the posts on this thread after my first one.

Should definetly add that Shinra tensei was able to cancel out the energy of the Rasenshuriken and did more damage to Gamabunta than the one tails air bullets that damaged Madara.

The OP literally already posted the result of the destruction in his post and yet you still opposed it.

How would you scale Nagato from Onoki?

Onoki creates a large non corporeal shape that deletes everything inside by manipulating molecules. It's a hax.

Nagato destroys things by sending gravitational waves.

That doesn't justify you bothering me.

And once again, unless you're visually or physically impaired, you would see later posts of mine talking about how the full references weren't in the post at first. With them being added in later after the argument was already settled and someone already showed me. You're yapping about nothing rn and it's getting annoying.

I feel like you are trolling me right now and also being a dick unnecessarily.

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These images had been present when I first saw the post. Unless I am tripping and he added them later. If it is true that they were here from the beginning, then your edgy post is dumb af and I was right to begin with.

If not you are still being unnecessarily rude for know reason. You are inviting that kind of behaviour when you act like it.

Yes, you are.

Based Nagato support

@greythejiren: Onoki's jutsus, both the lightened boulder and Particle style involves a jutsu used on an island wide scale, which comes from his own chakra. In other words, Onoki is strong enough to affect an island one way or another. The way I see it, Nagato would scale above this island affecting scale per Kabuto's implications, and he has the means to out right destroy it.

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