Storm was literally just taken out by a sonic attack in Resurrection of Magneto #4. As the page says for all her power she is still very human. Unless she plays fast and smart, the same will happen and while she's KOed they come up with a way to deal with Bobby which shouldn't be too difficult since he can be hurt/KOed by energy attacks.
Storm was literally just taken out by a sonic attack in Resurrection of Magneto #4. As the page says for all her power she is still very human. Unless she plays fast and smart, the same will happen and while she's KOed they come up with a way to deal with Bobby which shouldn't be too difficult since he can be hurt/KOed by energy attacks.
It's crazy because after that She made sound waves that stretched across a galaxy. Sound is stronger at the source which is coming from Storm.
And then we have Storm killing one of the serpent of Yggdrasil... Storm's thunder was powerful enough to ring through multiple universes in an instant. Again sound is the power powerful at its source
Lol call me odd but I don't see anything the Iron dudes are doing to current iceman
They can just spam heat rays on him like what they did to Blizzard
I feel like Bobby is less trash then that nowadays.....although environment and how much ice he puts out prior would have to play a (read as: THE) factor
Storm was literally just taken out by a sonic attack in Resurrection of Magneto #4. As the page says for all her power she is still very human. Unless she plays fast and smart, the same will happen and while she's KOed they come up with a way to deal with Bobby which shouldn't be too difficult since he can be hurt/KOed by energy attacks.
It's crazy because after that She made sound waves that stretched across a galaxy. Sound is stronger at the source which is coming from Storm.
And then we have Storm killing one of the serpent of Yggdrasil... Storm's thunder was powerful enough to ring through multiple universes in an instant. Again sound is the power powerful at its source
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As a raindrop once said "y'all got chille with this mess hun." If Storm is moving faster than sound, she isn't going to be hit by sound. This should be common sense but I know that isn't always so common.
Also, 9 universes? Let's stop lying. They're all right next to eachother when the World Tree is involved, and we don't need to go back to Elementary school to know that sound can't instantly traverse universes do we?
Storm got fodderized by a Stark Sentinel and so did Iceman, same happens here as Stark Sentinels are just stolen Stark Tech.
Storm was literally just taken out by a sonic attack in Resurrection of Magneto #4. As the page says for all her power she is still very human. Unless she plays fast and smart, the same will happen and while she's KOed they come up with a way to deal with Bobby which shouldn't be too difficult since he can be hurt/KOed by energy attacks.
It's crazy because after that She made sound waves that stretched across a galaxy. Sound is stronger at the source which is coming from Storm.
And then we have Storm killing one of the serpent of Yggdrasil... Storm's thunder was powerful enough to ring through multiple universes in an instant. Again sound is the power powerful at its source
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Is it not well established that Storm is immune to anything generated by her own power? I would imagine that she would not suffer any consequences by doing this stunt. Whereas clearly she was caught off guard by an outside sonic attack not under her control.
And look if it makes you feel better I think Storm has all she needs to no sell a sonic attack she would just have to be fast and smart enough to do so.
Storm was literally just taken out by a sonic attack in Resurrection of Magneto #4. As the page says for all her power she is still very human. Unless she plays fast and smart, the same will happen and while she's KOed they come up with a way to deal with Bobby which shouldn't be too difficult since he can be hurt/KOed by energy attacks.
It's crazy because after that She made sound waves that stretched across a galaxy. Sound is stronger at the source which is coming from Storm.
And then we have Storm killing one of the serpent of Yggdrasil... Storm's thunder was powerful enough to ring through multiple universes in an instant. Again sound is the power powerful at its source
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As a raindrop once said "y'all got chille with this mess hun." If Storm is moving faster than sound, she isn't going to be hit by sound. This should be common sense but I know that isn't always so common.
Also, 9 universes? Let's stop lying. They're all right next to eachother when the World Tree is involved, and we don't need to go back to Elementary school to know that sound can't instantly traverse universes do we?
Storm got fodderized by a Stark Sentinel and so did Iceman, same happens here as Stark Sentinels are just stolen Stark Tech.
RIP
"Serpent of Yggdrasil" sounds like some token of respect for a featless fodder, and it's not like Thor hasn't dropped Nidhogg with lightning like two different times.
Plus the storm only became that powerful because All-Father Thor's intent was melded into it...Thor, whose thunder was already ringing through those Realms in the first place as outright confirmed by the Nidhogg-son in that first scan.
There's no guarantee that Stark will employ a Sound Attack just because a Stark Sentinel did. Sentinels were engineered to counteract Mutants, which Tony Stark is not. They merely utilized his technology, and that's the extent of it.
Storm already has a solid counter to Sound. If this is the tactic you want to use it will not work.
And to clarify the Tempest Raging across the Realms. Was a Mash of BOTH Storm and Thor. And it was Storm who was able to ease the raging, Tempest. Thor has nothing to do with feat.
There's no guarantee that Stark will employ a Sound Attack just because a Stark Sentinel did. Sentinels were engineered to counteract Mutants, which Tony Stark is not. They merely utilized his technology, and that's the extent of it.
Iron Man uses sonics all the time, and the Sentinel didn't have any unique counter to Storm. As you yourself said, they utilized his tech and were explicitly said to be as difficult to defeat as Tony himself.
To attempt to use a showing that was published in 2003 of cancelling out the bulk (not even the entirety) of a crowd to nullify a showing of Storm failing against sonic weaponry is extremely bizarre.
Leaning towards Iron duo for now. Storm and Iceman both have powerful hax, but they're also more glass cannons than the Iron pair is. And yeah, the Stark Sentinel's easily taking out Storm does imply that Iron Man could do the same.
@hatsonmelo: Well, that is a lot of scans for sure. And they do seem to pretty neatly contradict the idea that Iceman is the powerhouse he's long been made out to be. Though, a lot of those were also from his earlier years, when he was presumably less powerful. Still, there's enough lower showings there that I don't think one can say Iceman is consistently top tier.
There's no guarantee that Stark will employ a Sound Attack just because a Stark Sentinel did. Sentinels were engineered to counteract Mutants, which Tony Stark is not. They merely utilized his technology, and that's the extent of it.
Storm already has a solid counter to Sound. If this is the tactic you want to use it will not work.
All of this 100%
Storm and Iceman Win easily.
-Ironman and War-machine are not putting Down the Mutants. Sorry.
There's no guarantee that Stark will employ a Sound Attack just because a Stark Sentinel did. Sentinels were engineered to counteract Mutants, which Tony Stark is not. They merely utilized his technology, and that's the extent of it.
Storm already has a solid counter to Sound. If this is the tactic you want to use it will not work.
All of this 100%
Storm and Iceman Win easily.
-Ironman and War-machine are not putting Down the Mutants. Sorry.
Both Storm and Iceman have already been taken down by either IM, War Machine, or his derivatives on multiple occasions.
@hatsonmelo: a majority of your scans in there are outdated, and from weaker versions of iceman that you can't scale to the current one.
And while there are one or two that are certainly low showings for current iceman, the rest have context.
Like iceman needing psylocke to unlock his potential and then get tired from freezing the mariana trench, compared to current iceman freezing a large portion of mars casually within needing help.
The nimrod one was nimrod using a super specific molecular napalm to infect iceman. And in icemans solo that followed, he was shown to be able to handle that same molecular napalm easily.
Or old showings where iceman is getting taken out by being punched or shot in the head, while recent ones have him being vaporized or crushed to pieces and reforming.
The ironman sentinel is obviously a low showing, and iceman was reformed immediately he was hit, but went to save people from a building, so it wasn't 5 pages for him to reform. Also, the fight was him obviously holding back, as it was said that all the Xmen were being overconfident. Synch copying icemans powers completely froze and took out an ironman sentinel.
The radioactive man "matching" iceman isn't even an actual fight. It was a slideshow of iceman taking down multiple villains and one single image of iceman and radioactive man was enough for you to conlude that they were equally matched
Old scans or showing bobby being useless against juggernaut while bobby has won their recent encounters
80s Xfactor iceman losing to pyro??? Teally when current iceman has frozen nuclear explosions, reformed from being hit with solar flares??
There are even non canon novels thrown in there just for reasons
Your compilation doesn't really hold water when scrutinized.
a majority of your scans in there are outdated, and from weaker versions of iceman that you can't scale to the current one.
No, they're all from 616 Iceman, and there's been nothing to retcon them.
Like iceman needing psylocke to unlock his potential and then get tired from freezing the mariana trench, compared to current iceman freezing a large portion of mars casually within needing help.
??? Psylocke amped him, she was never said to have "unlocked his potential." And you talk about context while mentioning that? New definition of irony.
The nimrod one was nimrod using a super specific molecular napalm to infect iceman. And in icemans solo that followed, he was shown to be able to handle that same molecular napalm easily.
Again, never stated. You're just inventing literal fanfic at this point.
Or old showings where iceman is getting taken out by being punched or shot in the head, while recent ones have him being vaporized or crushed to pieces and reforming.
Iceman has classic showings like that too, but he's been KOed by blunt force in modern times as well, as seen by the album.
The ironman sentinel is obviously a low showing, and iceman was reformed immediately he was hit, but went to save people from a building, so it wasn't 5 pages for him to reform.
Iceman was never shown after that blast until later when he was shown after the fight was over struggling to stand. You have no evidence he was going to "save people from a building" and it contradicts what we see on panel.
Also, the fight was him obviously holding back, as it was said that all the Xmen were being overconfident. Synch copying icemans powers completely froze and took out an ironman sentinel.
In what world is overconfident and holding back synomonus? Narration also said the X-Men were almost all killed by the Sentinel, and the showing you mention has context.
The radioactive man "matching" iceman isn't even an actual fight. It was a slideshow of iceman taking down multiple villains and one single image of iceman and radioactive man was enough for you to conlude that they were equally matched
...Because they were evenly matched in the panel. That's objective.
Old scans or showing bobby being useless against juggernaut while bobby has won their recent encounters
It'd be just as easy to say Juggernaut is weaker than before.
80s Xfactor iceman losing to pyro??? Teally when current iceman has frozen nuclear explosions, reformed from being hit with solar flares??
Again, context.
There are even non canon novels thrown in there just for reasons
And the proof theyr're non-canon?
Your compilation doesn't really hold water when scrutinized.
If you don’t, then Storm being disabled by sonics still stands. Consistency is taken into consideration regarding low/high end feats but if Storm has never countered sonics before then there’s no debate here.
I’m not asking for assumptions or scaling or rationalisations, just Storm countering sonics on-panel.
@jay_z94: Does the iron guys have resistance to being blown up via pressure? If not storm stomps.
Also storm does has a counter to sonics. Mooty literally already posted a scan of her blocking sound before. And IIrc she might have blocked attacks from banshee before.
a majority of your scans in there are outdated, and from weaker versions of iceman that you can't scale to the current one.
No, they're all from 616 Iceman, and there's been nothing to retcon them.
There's a difference between retconning and a character growing more powerful. The point is that a lot of those scans (or so the argument goes), were done by Iceman when he isn't as powerful as he is now, which I think is a fair enough assertion to make. Most major 616 characters are definitely more powerful now than they were in earlier decades.
a majority of your scans in there are outdated, and from weaker versions of iceman that you can't scale to the current one.
No, they're all from 616 Iceman, and there's been nothing to retcon them.
There's a difference between retconning and a character growing more powerful. The point is that a lot of those scans (or so the argument goes), were done by Iceman when he isn't as powerful as he is now, which I think is a fair enough assertion to make. Most major 616 characters are definitely more powerful now than they were in earlier decades.
It'd be a fair point if Iceman had some sort of in-universe upgrade that caused him to get more powerful, but he didn't. I also wouldn't say most characters are more powerful, as whenever time-travel shenanigans happen that cause them to fight their past selves they're usually evenly matched.
@hatsonmelo: A specific in-universe upgrade isn't needed to infer that characters get more powerful over time. It's something that happens routinely in works of fiction. The lack of a particular plot device or deus ex machina doesn't preclude Iceman or anyone else growing in power.
@shroudofsorrow: By that logic it'd be just as easy to say that Iceman has gotten weaker overtime as a lack of a particular plot device or deus ex machina doesn't preclude Iceman or anyone else shrinking in power.
@hatsonmelo: Yes, and if there was actual evidence feats-wise of a decline, that would be a reasonable assumption. But if the character's consistent showings are shown to be better than their consistent showings at previous points, it is reasonable to assume that growth has occurred. I believe the argument is that, Iceman's consistent showings in the modern era put him at a higher level of power than what he had shown in, say, the 1980s or 1990s. If the feats support that, then it's reasonable to infer it.
@hatsonmelo: A specific in-universe upgrade isn't needed to infer that characters get more powerful over time. It's something that happens routinely in works of fiction. The lack of a particular plot device or deus ex machina doesn't preclude Iceman or anyone else growing in power.
Ironically the only real measurement of Bobby's power being increased was with the Death Seed. Otherwise it had to do far more with his mental barriers to his powers (so potential basically) than any objective amps, even the most in-depth analysis of Iceman had no such statements to provide from his decades of material
You can say he's more experienced, not necessarily that he's stronger
@professorrespect: To be fair, if he's no longer weighed down by mental barriers that were in place before, isn't that effectively the same as being more powerful? Since he wouldn't be able to achieve the same feats with the mental barriers still in place (and didn't).
I believe the argument is that, Iceman's consistent showings in the modern era put him at a higher level of power than what he had shown in, say, the 1980s or 1990s. If the feats support that, then it's reasonable to infer it.
The feats show the opposite is the issue. Iceman in the 80s-90s never would have been incaped by bullets and buildings. That's why I was trying to be generous and say his power had stayed the same.
@professorrespect: To be fair, if he's no longer weighed down by mental barriers that were in place before, isn't that effectively the same as being more powerful? Since he wouldn't be able to achieve the same feats with the mental barriers still in place (and didn't).
Not exactly, it doesn't disqualify any older showings if the only real difference was mentality. It doesn't increase his stats passively does it?
@professorrespect: But if, with his mindset changed, his showings become significantly more impressive, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that his limitations from beforehand would no longer apply? If bypassing his mental barriers means he can now perform far more impressive feats, I don't think we should assume that whatever his limitations were when he had the mental barriers in place would necessarily still apply.
@professorrespect: But if, with his mindset changed, his showings become significantly more impressive, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that his limitations from beforehand would no longer apply? If bypassing his mental barriers means he can now perform far more impressive feats, I don't think we should assume that whatever his limitations were when he had the mental barriers in place would necessarily still apply.
His stats don't change though, nor has his showings meant that he still hasn't had low showings etc
His limitations from before would relate to his creativity/specific niches like reforming or whatnot, but even that can be inconsistent
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