I probably won't finish it but I feel like doing this right now so here we go
I'll periodically upload new rounds but I don't have a fixed schedule, most likely I won't upload on Tuesdays or Thursdays for classes but I also might.
Here are all the characters I'm including for this. All characters are current unless specified.
Boa mid dif probably. Maybe high dif depending on where you scale Kuma. I think Kuma could most likely resist her powers to a degree since he doesn't have a consciousness as a robot but her kicks are still portrayed to be really strong and she can still turn him into stone and shatter him if her kicks land based on what she did to the Pacifista at Marineford. Pacifista shouldn't have a consciousness either. If you think she is canon as strong as the Stampede feats maybe even low dif.
Boa Hancock neg diff. She has already oneshot a slew of Pasifista's casually... Kuma will be no different...
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Kuma ignoring his fruit has verbatim the exact stats of a Pasifista (and due to the massive gap in stats even when considering Devil Fruit nothing changes in his favor anyway). Also those same Pasifista's are oneshot material for New World caliber Pirates (Return to Sabody G2 Luffy could oneshot them) and the like of which Boa Hancock is certainly capable of doing so and has shown to do so in abundance... we haven't even gotten to her little scuffle with Blackbeard and all the portrayal/feats/statements she gets from that...
Neither of those scans say Pacifista have the same stats as Kuma. I don't believe this to be true at all. Especially given Kuma is ranked pretty highly in the Revs.
He should at least be within the same tier as Ivankov give or take but with better hax.
1) Neither of those scans say Pacifista have the same stats as Kuma.
They never were intended to?
They were there to show Hancock absolutely casually obliterating the Pasifista's with ease...
2) I don't believe this to be true at all.
I don't need you to believe it... it's true and has been repeatedly, literally dozens of times verbatim said to Kuma = Pasifista (barring the devil fruit ofc)...
The fact that you (or really anyone) doesn't think that they are the same instantly makes me question either their memory or reading comprehension regarding the Pasifista's... since this should be a quite universally agreed thought...
It has been repeatedly and I mean REPEATEDLY stressed that the Pacifista's are clones of Kuma and that Kuma is Pacifista 0, the original Pacifista... They are clone of Kuma's with the same body, the same lasers, the same equipment the combative difference is the devil fruit which replaces the hand lasers which would be on other Mark 1 Pasifista's.
Here's a monstrous collage of panels on panel's all relating to Kuma and the Pasifista's being copies of each other covering things from Vegapunk being called a perfectionist (in that he wouldn't send out non perfect copies of Kuma), to Kuma being called Pasifista 0, to the numerous times they are said to look the same, to X-Drake saying Vegapunk copied Kuma's body (and therefore physical prowess), etc... I could go on there's plenty material within the Thrillerbark, Sabody, Marineford, and Egghead Island arcs all supporting Kuma = Pasifista and such.
3) Especially given Kuma is ranked pretty highly in the Revs.
Irrelevant as we have enough feats to where portrayal ain't gonna help him (not like his portrayal is that amazing anyway).
4) He should at least be within the same tier as Ivankov give or take but with better hax.
Not really... lower than Ivankov but than again Ivankov ain't that strong anyways... in fact like all the rev's have been rather underwhelming
OT: Kuma is blitz'd and oneshot just like how a Return Sabody G2 Luffy showed he could against the Mark 1 Pacifista...
Kuma is a Paradise threat not a New World threat. Meanwhile Boa Hancock is a significant New World threat.
Again.... None of the scans you provided says anything about the Pacifista having the same stats as Kuma.
During the Pre-Time Sabody the Straw Hat even freak out more when the REAL Kuma shows up who proceeds blip Pacifista away. It doesn't make any logical sense from Kuma to be Pacifista level. He isn't portrayed as being that weak at all. You are basically implying fodder like Post Time Skip X-Drake, Apoo and Hawkins could beat Kuma which isn't true in the slightest. He shouldn't be a Warlord or highly ranked in the Revs if he was that weak.
They aren't replicating what Kuma did to Oars Jr. in Marineford at all. Same Oars Jr whom Whitebeard said "lend me your strength" etc
And spoilers for the new chapter
Thay had freaken Akianu of all people go stop his rampage. If he was as weak as you said, they would have just sent a random Vice Admiral.
1) Again.... None of the scans you provided says anything about the Pacifista having the same stats as Kuma.
You can't be serious...
Look at those two panels X-Drake verbatim says Dr Vegapunk cloned Kuma's body and the other panel shows that they are the same... in Egghead it's said he wanted him due to his physical prowess to clone him...
And to top it off Vegapunk is a perfectionist so they should be perfect copies anyways...
2) During the Pre-Time Sabody the Straw Hat even freak out more when the REAL Kuma shows up who proceeds blip Pacifista away.
Yeah cuase he has a broken devil fruit on top of a Pasifista body which they just tried to beat and almost died trying... Like I say Kuma is a Paradise threat not a New World one just like Crocodile or Moria they are all situated in Paradise for a reason they couldn't handle the New World.
3) It doesn't make any logical sense from Kuma to be Pacifista level.
No it makes literally PERFECT sense for him to be Pasifista level.
He LITERALLY IS a Pasifista...
4) He isn't portrayed as being that weak at all. You are basically implying fodder like Post Time Skip X-Drake, Apoo and Hawkins could beat Kuma which isn't true in the slightest. He shouldn't be a Warlord or highly ranked in the Revs if he was that weak.
Moria, Crocodile...
Being in the revs or the warlords doesn't mean you can't be weak...
Also like I said Pasifista's are a Paradise threat not New World which we saw perfectly when Luffy oneshot a Pasifista during his Return to Sabody.
5) They aren't replicating what Kuma did to Oars Jr. in Marineford at all. Same Oars Jr whom Whitebeard said "lend me your strength" etc...
Kuma's paws use shockwaves, shockwaves of which in One Piece deal internal damage and bypass conventional defense.
Oh and Moria also impaled Oars Jr... and like I said he's weak comparatively (disregarding Shadow's Asgard and such)... Oars Jr ain't some crazy OP person he's strong just like any ancient giant like Oars or the Numbers which Kaido has but he ain't any special.
6) And spoilers for the new chapter They had freaken Akianu of all people go stop his rampage. If he was as weak as you said, they would have just sent a random Vice Admiral.
And? So? Kuma is in Mariejois of course they'd send an admiral it's how there system works... they sent an admiral to PreTS Luffy that doesn't mean Luffy was even close to being near an Admiral's strength just because they sent one after him that's not how that works. PreTS Luffy is fodder but since he attacked a Celestial Dragon they sent an admiral same for Kuma he's in Mariejois so they sent an admiral to stop his rampage.
Again... Your scan does not say Kuma has the same stats as a Paciftsa.
It just says he has his body in terms of appearance. Please read carefully.
Kuma was modified to have similar attributes but still should have Haki from training in the Revs.
"Look at those two panels X-Drake verbatim says Dr Vegapunk cloned Kuma's body and the other panel shows that they are the same... in Egghead it's said he wanted him due to his physical prowess to come him..."
They are referring to the REAL Kuma in that panel.
Not a Pacifista. They are talking about modified Kuma's body when he was already strong to begin with.
"Yeah cuase he has a broken devil fruit on top of a Pasifista body which they just tried to beat and almost died trying... Like I say Kuma is a Paradise threat not a New World one just like Crocodile or Moria they are all situated in Paradise for a reason they couldn't handle the New World."
Based on that alone he would be way above Pacifista level which can't replicate what he did at Marineford.
"No it makes literally PERFECT sense for him to be Pasifista level.
He LITERALLY IS a Pasifista..."
Read the panel.
"Not complete yet."
He has attributes of a Pacifista along with Haki and his Devil Fruit. Haki enhances stats.
Moria, Crocodile...
Being in the revs or the warlords doesn't mean you can't be weak...
Also like I said Pasifista's are a Paradise threat not New World which we saw perfectly when Luffy oneshot a Pasifista during his Return to Sabody.
Crocoodile isn't weak. He had a buff in Marineford.
Moria is only weak for Warlord standards. He should still beat a Pacifista using 1000 Shadows Asgard form. Or at least have a great fight with one. Moria is considered a weak Warlord and does not scale to Kuma.
The fact that base Pre-Fishman Arc Luffy can one shot it should tell you enough. They aren't Kuma level.
"Kuma's paws use shockwaves, shockwaves of which in One Piece deal internal damage and bypass conventional defense.
Oh and Moria also impaled Oars Jr... and like I said he's weak comparatively (disregarding Shadow's Asgard and such)... Oars Jr ain't some crazy OP person he's strong just like any ancient giant like Oars or the Numbers which Kaido has but he ain't any special."
We already had this shock wave conversation. Not all are functionally the same. The one Jimbei uses is not the same as the one Killer uses and etc. You can't lump them all into one category. And even if this were true it , why does this matter? It makes a him leagues more dangerous then Pacifsta regardless.
Okay? Shanks got his arm bite off by a Sea King when not using Haki and Garp cut by Morgan while sleeping, What's your point? Slash and piercing attacks are more effective in One Piece when characters aren't actively using Haki to defend themselves. Only Big Mom, Kaido, Sanji, Germa, Lunarians, etc are exception to this. Moria took advantage after Doflamingo already cut his leg off,
"And? So? Kuma is in Mariejois of course they'd send an admiral it's how there system works... they sent an admiral to PreTS Luffy that doesn't mean Luffy was even close to being near an Admiral's strength just because they sent one after him that's not how that works. PreTS Luffy is fodder but since he attacked a Celestial Dragon they sent an admiral same for Kuma he's in Mariejois so they sent an admiral to stop his rampage."
1) Again... Your scan does not say Kuma has the same stats as a Paciftsa.
You're blind mate.
Vegapunk recreated and literally cloned Kuma and turned his body to become a Pasifista.
2) It just says he has his body in terms of appearance. Please read carefully.
You should be the one reading carefully. The entire reason for Cloning Kuma was so that they have exact copies of Kuma... that's literally the entire point of Pasifista's existing and why they are so feared is that they are an army of Kuma.
3) Kuma was modified to have similar attributes but still should have Haki from training in the Revs.
Nope not currently not at all.
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Kuma is a Pasifista during Marineford.
"Look at those two panels X-Drake verbatim says Dr Vegapunk cloned Kuma's body and the other panel shows that they are the same... in Egghead it's said he wanted him due to his physical prowess to come him..."
4) They are referring to the REAL Kuma in that panel.
What are you even talking about.
Those are two different panels collaged together.
One is this one: (Bottom left) with them saying they look exactly the same.
The other is this one where X-Drake said Vegapunk cloned Kuma: (Bottom left)
X-Drake is part of Sword and straight up says Vegapunk recreated Kuma's body... which means the Pasifista's have Kuma's stats and since both Pasifista 0 (Kuma) and the other Pasifistas have the same stats, same equipment, etc... they are the same...
5) Not a Pacifista. They are talking about modified Kuma's body when he was already strong to begin with.
Literally a Pasifista the heck are you talking about.
Kuma calls himself one and is called a Pasifista you literally have no argument.
Kuma is literally a Pasifista the same body, the same equipment. The only differences are he has a devil fruit and at one point was a human.
6) Based on that alone he would be way above Pacifista level which can't replicate what he did at Marineford.
Having a devil doesn't change the fact his body is that of a Pasifista sure he has a devil fruit I already said that but he is still just a Pasifista as such like I was saying he'd get blitzed and oneshot by Boa just like she has shown to do and just like how Return to Sabody Luffy was shown to do.
7) Read the panel. "Not complete yet." He has attributes of a Pacifista along with Haki and his Devil Fruit. Haki enhances stats
Yeah since the final changes weren't done till Marineford to turn him into a full robot with no mind... bruh...
You need to read up on this subject because you have literally NO CLUE WHAT you are talking about if you are arguing against this literal FACT.
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8) Crocoodile isn't weak. He had a buff in Marineford.
That's not how that works bud... in Alabasta where he was, he was terribly weak comparatively you can't just go "oh but he got stronger" that doesn't chnage the fact he was very weak...
9) Moria is only weak for Warlord standards. He should still beat a Pacifista using 1000 Shadows Asgard form. Or at least have a great fight with one. Moria is considered a weak Warlord and does not scale to Kuma.
They were both (Kuma and Moria) literally portrayed on the same level when Moria is in base form when we meet them both in Thrillerbark...
Also why does this matter it doesn’t change anything at all Kuma stats = Pasifista stats... since he literally is a Pasifista...
10) The fact that base Pre-Fishman Arc Luffy can one shot it should tell you enough. They aren't Kuma level.
No it should tell you that Kuma ain't that strong and that was shown to give credence to the growth Luffy and crew has undergone... which was literally the entire point of the time skip...
Kuma LITERALLY has the same body as Pasifista you have NO argument.
11) We already had this shock wave conversation. Not all are functionally the same. The one Jimbei uses is not the same as the one Killer uses and etc. You can't lump them all into one category. And even if this were true it , why does this matter? It makes a him leagues more dangerous then Pacifsta regardless.
Shockwaves are Shockwaves. Them having different mediums in which they are expressed doesn't change the fact of what they are and what their effects are.
Fishman Karate uses water to create shockwaves. Killer uses sonic vibrations to make shockwaves. Whitebeard uses seismic quakes via devil fruit to make shockwaves.
They use different mediums but that doesn't change the fact that they are all generating shockwaves one way or another...
Think of it this way say for say another verse which has multiple magic systems... like one could use Mana to make fire, or one could use Divine power to make fire or one could use psionics via Pyrokenesis to make fire... while all use different sources (mediums) they all do the same effect of making fire (shockwaves).
Make sense to you yet...?
12) Okay? Shanks got his arm bite off by a Sea King when not using Haki and Garp cut by Morgan while sleeping, What's your point? Slash and piercing attacks are more effective in One Piece when characters aren't actively using Haki to defend themselves. Only Big Mom, Kaido, Sanji, Germa, Lunarians, etc are exception to this. Moria took advantage after Doflamingo already cut his leg off,
Oars Jr ain't strong nothing you have said has shown him to be strong.
Oars Jr scale roughly around to Oars and the Numbers of Kaido's army that's it. And let it be known the Numbers are below the Tobi Roppo. Oars Jr ain't that strong at all.
I honestly completely forget why in the world you brought up Oars Jr how is he relavant to Kuma or Pasifista's...
Nor do I know why in te world are you bringing up Shanks or Garp in this discussion about Kuma...
13) The only valid point you've made so far.
You have no clue what your talking about if that's what your saying XD.
You are ignoring the entire precedent the entire manga has made CLEAR just to try to act as if Kuma isn't a Pasifista despite literally dozens of opposing evidence and the literal plot going against what you're talking about.
No need for me to waste my time reading that post. After the recent chapter there is no way you can think Kuma is same stats as a Pacifista. Kuma literally survived attacks from Akainu.
A Pacifsta would die to even a fraction of Akianu's power.
1) No need for me to waste my time reading that post.
Why because you can't accept your wrong...
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2) After the recent chapter there is no way you can think Kuma is same stats as a Pacifista. Kuma literally survived attacks from Akainu. A Pacifsta would die to even a fraction of Akianu's power.
He "survived attacks from Akainu" that's a really nice way to say from every hit he took that part got instantly vaporized losing half his face and his foot and then had to slap himself away before Akainu started taking body shots.
He survived nothing there is no actual feat you can extrapolate from that scene other than maybe speed but even then Akainu was literally questioning Kuma and for how and why he was here because as he knew it Kuma was turned into a Pasifista... but he didn't know he was given some latent programming.
In fact the latest chapter continually reinforces my stance that he literally is just a Pasifista...
Like bruh you can't just keep ignoring the fact that HE IS A PASIFISTA...
I'm not reading that. Waste of time. I didn't read bother to read your last one either.
Kuma has Haki and better durability feats. Pacifista don't have Haki and not taking multiple Akianu attacks. We on to the next round and it would be better to stop spamming and interrupting the tournament at this point. No need to reply to me again with your silly takes.
1)I concede that you often have goof ball takes. No one but you thinks Kuma is Pacifista level.
They do if they read the story...
Just read these three pages and you'll know your wrong that's literally all you need and those are three of dozens of panels and pages which prove me right and you wrong.
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2) Also a very cringe line.
You literally used it in this very response you gave but even more cringe: "I concede you have goof ball takes"
You also act like a child being like "I haven't even read your last responses" because you're unable to comprehend the fact that Kuma is not a relavant New World threat as EVIDENT by the fact that Kuma literally IS a Pasifista and the other Pasifistas are literal exact clones of him with the same tech and enhancements as hum since they are meant to be exact copies...
For you to not believe Kuma = Pasifista you have to ignore what the entirety of the manga has been saying since Kuma's literal introduction on Thrillerbark where Kuma himself says he's a Pasifista.
Wushu you have no arguement at all besides blatent denial and ignorance from what has been shown repeatedly within the manga.
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