Pretty sure Jiren was capable of punching through space time IIRC but which is what canonically killed Gojo, so if he can he wins
Sukuna's slash that cuts the world didn't cut infinity but extended the cursed technique's target to the spot where Gojo's body existed and cut the space which Gojo occupied, Jiren's scream can potentially break space-time but he won't do that first in character as he doesn't know infinity here.
@maulsmacker: Not to mention just breaking space tearing through Infinity when even Uru can mess with space is kinda sus
People also shouldn't ignore stats are equalized, and Reverse Cursed Technique deals with any potential damage, while Jiren has no regen, with Gojo borderline possessing infinite stamina.
Pretty sure Jiren was capable of punching through space time IIRC but which is what canonically killed Gojo, so if he can he wins
I don't remember him ever doing that. Some weaker characters could but whether that proves he can or not is debatable. Also even if he gets past infinity they have equal stats here.
@jermainekoloch: yeah, breaking through infinity won't kill Gojo, Jiren explicitly can't break the space where a person exists (Example – Hit) so even if somehow infinity is broken, (Im not sure it will be considering it's implied Uro's space manipulation won't bypass infinity) Jiren would just be getting in a H2H witb a supremely skilled teleporter with instant healing, that's death sentence.
@maulsmacker: Sukana cutting the space killed him, since Infinity is spatial manipulation cleave bypassed the technique. Cleave is a traveling attack as we saw just after it killed Gojo, so it must have sliced through the infinity.
@jermainekoloch: Yeah, but the world slash explicitly targets more than just space, and as we know the cast agrees Infinity cannot be bypassed by known means which includes Uro's ability to shatter space and pull them like curtains which is basically the same thing as Jiren's spacetime destroying punches, so basically what I'm saying is that it is likely World Slash is an upgrade beyond normal space manipulating techniques such as Uro's CT and a Black Flash; being more like a layered space cleave or like a reality cleave.
@maulsmacker: She never used it on Gojo, so who knows. I don't even think she destroys any portion of the space either. Gojo never resisted any spatial manipulation that I know of, and the same attack that killed Gojo has been dodged
@maulsmacker: stop jiren just punches through his infinity if ui goku could shake an infinite void just by powering up jiren can certainly break through gojos infinity which isnt actual infiniti unlike the realm which goku shook
@jermainekoloch: Yuta has her technique and agrees that infinity makes Gojo involiable, clearly Uro's space manipulation would not bypass infinity. Sukuna's world slash is a telegraphed move, and its easy to aimdodge now that Sukuna ligerally chants three sentences before firing it, Gojo didn't have that privilege.
Yet it couldn't kill trapped Yuta because what it's actually doing is turning the sky/space into a surface and she cracked it to inflict damage. The attack she hit Yuta with was akin to whitebeards quake, shattering the "surface" and getting damage in. Its not like a cut or true damage which cleaves space including the person in it, like a Yami, a Janemba, or a Sukuna
Even if you're right, there's no actual resistance for Gojo here
@jermainekoloch: I mean, you can go out and read your own scans, for here uro pulls out space like a curtain
her Thin Ice Breaker makes multiple ripples in space on panel as you yourself showed
Narratively limitless >>> Sky manipulation, but even with your interpretation, if spatial manipulation truly negated limitless or infinity.
Why can't Uro simply turn the space limitless manifests in into a surface and pull it apart like a curtain?
why can't Uro just shatter the space surface where limitless exists?
probably because Space Manipulation is not enough to negate limitless.
now regarding Yuta surviving Thin Ice Breaker, that's a feat for him to not be shredded by the cracking of space, let's not pretend Jiren's punches in the same feat where he destroys a space-time, his punch gets tanked again.
still not seeing why spatial manipulation with basic space cracking would negate Nuetral limitless/Infinity?
@maulsmacker: because she needs to approach Gojo to do it and would get stopped, she did the same with Yuta. Look at how she attacked him with her sky manipulation. She couldn't do it to him from afar
She "broke" space yet it didn't kill or cleave Yuta, because it's not typical spatial destruction which negates durability all the way. It's akin to Whitebeards attacks which also crack and warp space
Anywho, show Gojo resisting said attacks, because otherwise he lacks resistance. I already told you I'm not even arguing for Jiren, he gets stomped lol he's a brick he can't win with equal stats.
@jermainekoloch: There is absolutely nothing stopping her from approaching Gojo because she can, if her spatial manipulation works, can straight up crack the space where infinity exists or pulls it off like a curtain, so why can't she do it to infinity?
what kind of logic is this? Yuta surviving spatial cracking is not something that somehow illegitmizes the technique itself, everyone survives "space-time destroying" punches from Jiren and other Dragon Ball characters, literally nobody in the history of Dragonball has ever died to spatial manipulation, the same logic you're applying to Uro and Yuta pretty much means Jiren's 'space time destroying punches" are not doing anything to Gojo.
Battle of the Strongest straight up confirms that limitless makes Gojo involiable and untouchable, people who have spatial manip agree, literally no CT in the verse before World Severing Slash can bypass Infinity.
The topic of the thread is Gojo vs Jiren, focus on it.
@maulsmacker: she would need to grab the infinity first with her hands and it's effects could halt her. Simple. Look at the Yuta fight when she used her attack on him
That's also not a comparison DB characters are universal+ and have been obliterating space since they were solar system busters, blasting through entire dimensions instead of just cutting space so it's to be expected, but since we're going there, by this logic this makes said space destructive feats stacked by the time DBS rolls around
@jermainekoloch: to be halted she would need to enter the space where Infinity is, she doesn't need to enter a space to grab it like a curtain and pulls it away.
Layer stacking doesn't exist in a universal energy system, more power = better hax in Dragonball, by that logic you can say every ability is infinitely "stacked".
@jermainekoloch: You need to go deep into divided space to fall to the stopping and spatial freeze affect, just grabbing the space where infinity exists can be done from a distance, as Uro doesn't just grab the area her hand is touching, it can extend few fts beyond.
It's narrative, Gojo was unbeatable because of nuetral limitless, characters like Yuta who have spatial hax like Uro cannot actually bypass Infinity.
@maulsmacker: And that's exactly what will happen, she tries to grab it with her bare hands and the infinity stops her. She cannot grab it from a distance (assuming she even tries) lmfao. Couldnt Gura Gura Yuta from a distance either.
And you still have no feat of resistance. It never mentioned her ability. Characters are called invincible and untouchable in fictions all the time to hype them up. "Gojo is invincible because of limitless" thats it ? Thats your evidence ? Gojo is dead, and thats a speech bubble.
@jermainekoloch: she can? Infinity starts pretty close to Gojo, or it's stopping feature, her ability has area of affect, she can literally pull it off from a distance if it actually worked at all
And your second paragraph is just you stubbornly believing space manipulation would do something to infinity when a space manipulator in the room (Yuta) agrees that Gojo's infinity renders him involiable, ignoring basic dialogue and narrative elements is not a good look.
@maulsmacker: see ? She grabs it with her bare hands first, and there is no significant warping until she tries to pull, with the most bending around her hand. The action could get stopped if she tries this on the infinity. She never used it on him, and Yuta agreeing is not clear cut because he never tried it on him anyway, or even mention it
@jermainekoloch: Infinity doesn't range that far, from the looks of it she easily pulled few meters worth of space off, she has no reason to get into infinty range when she call pull infinity-divided space by grabbing a space close but outside the actual system itself. I don't care if she ever used it on him, I don't care if Yuta ever used it on him, the narrative states Infinity makes Gojo involiable and the most important fight in the series revolves around the strongest character in the history of the verse finding a way around Infinity with his cursed technique, the narrative frankly can't be clearer and the fact the entire cast agrees Infinity is involiable just further proves it.
@maulsmacker: She still needs to grab it/approach it to actually do significant damage. "the narrative" is nothing but your interpretation of speech bubbles. Gojo is dead he can't be invincible and untouchable so why use it here. Its not true. Not only is the warping only significant around her hand, the technique is never even mentioned alongside Gojo, no direct statement. It's a logical conclusion, but it's still a theory. Post resistance feat, please.
@jermainekoloch: she doesn't need to? just pull it off like a carpet, done, but the fact is that Yuta and nobody in the cast can actually get past infinity. You simply don't understand how the narrative works, there is a reason the entire cast is in the scene where Infinity is stated Involiable and only domain nullification is treated as something to nuetralize, not even bypass Infinity, nobody in the cast has a way around Infinity conventionally untill its turned off, characters with Uro's space manipulation agree that Infinity cannot be bypassed. Gojo died becayse Sukuna, the strongest in history, did a series of impossible things, with the strongest cursed technique in the franchise, multiple adaptations and then a binding vow, thats what it took to bypass infinity, the idea infinity can be bypassed by mid tier characters who Yorozu can destroy entire squads of, does a massive disservice to the narrative of the battle of the strongest where it's confirmed Infinity was involiable upto that point and Sukuna had to learn an impossible technique using Mahoraga as his blueprint to even bypass it, so Yes, Infinity is involiable at the time the statement was made
@maulsmacker: Again she would need to grab it in the first place, she doesn't manipulate from afar watch her use her attack on Yuta she went right up to him. Regarding the involiable stuff, the technique still existed and is hax, so infinity was not invincible, which means the text bubble taken at face value (exactly what your doing) is wrong.
A wall of text but no resistance feats, if you refuse to show it I'll just go with it doesn't exist
@jermainekoloch: Thin Ice Breaker and Normal Sky Manipulation are different, that's like saying every Limitless user and application works like Red, No, she can pull things like curtain from afar as we clearly saw on panel, Thin Ice Breaker also works because even in that panel she is cracking space from a distance and is not limited to just a couple meters. The World Severing Slash wasn't a thing until chapter 234 or 233, the narrative of the world severing slash is that it literally ended Gojo's invincibility, so no, the statement is correct given the chapter number it was made at, Sukuna overcame that involiability with his cursed technique by going through a series of impossible actions and making a final binding vow.
Take it however you want, your interpretation is that Yuta bypasses infinity, objectively wrong as per the evidence I already presented.
@maulsmacker: She still has to physically grab. The attacks were a thing, Sukuna learned the attacks before the fight, and the statement comes during the fight. You are completely wrong, and there's 0 resistance. It's nothing but an assumption on your end
Since you can't provide feats Gojo lacks resistance. Nothing more Nothing less
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