High Tier Tournament R2: Emperorthanos vs CosmicDude

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Characters

  • Brainiac (5)
  • H'el (4)
  • Darkseid (3)
  • Metallo (1)
  • Silver Banshee (2)
  • Ghost Soldier (1)

Perks

  • 8 Perk points for 6 character points (8)
  • 1 hour of prep anywhere (5)
  • 1 hour of Prep on Battlefield (2)
  • LS for Ghost Soldier, Silver Banshee

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Characters

MCU Doctor Strange (With Time Stone) (1)

Perks

  • One Universe: LA: Six bonus points (Perk)
  • Perk conversion: 9 character -->6 perk
  • So 27 perk points (15 + 6 + 6)
  • Eternity Mask (13)
  • Helm of Fate (6)
  • Reed Richard's Brain Power (6)
  • 1 Hour of Prep (2)

Rules

  • You are given 10 character points and 15 perk points to be spent exclusively on their respective fields (unless certain perks are obtained to excuse otherwise)
  • Win by Death, Incap, or KO. Standard Gear.
  • DC Characters are composite Post Crisis New 52 and Rebirth, standard power levels. Marvel is 616 and current unless directly stated otherwise.
  • Unless otherwise stated Wildstorm characters are allowed their feats from DC comics.
  • Manga characters are manga/anime/novel.
  • Dragon Ball characters are restricted up to Cell Saga and are manga/movie, no anime feats.
  • Video Game Characters get Game/Tie in comic material.
  • Star Wars is EU: Everyone is also allowed their canon feats and are current.
  • No reality-warping (powers that may fall under this or have some association will be dealt with on a case by case basis due to the broad/vague nature of reality-warping).
  • No Luck Manipulation
  • No Existence Erasure or Conceptual Attacks.
  • No Power Stealing, Power Copying/Sharing is limited to present allies only, though characters like Amazo still have their capabilities.
  • No Summons, constructs, or any other fodder can be stronger than or amped beyond a FTL speed Jupiter Buster.
  • Summons, constructs or any other fodder cannot possess any durability bypassing hax themselves.
  • Summons, constructs, or any other fodder are limited to a cap of 1000.
  • Cloning is limited to 50.
  • Immortality is allowed but if a character has their all physical presence on the battlefield destroyed then they are considered to be KO'd and are out of the fight.
  • Characters without a tangible physical form are not allowed (I.E. ghosts, conceptual forms, etc) though intangibility is fine.
  • Time Jumping, remnants, and speeding up or rewinding one's own time is allowed. Other forms of time manipulation are banned.
  • Battlefield Removal (BFR) is allowed but has a time limit of one minute.
  • Characters cannot be argued or amped above Star Busting and Picosecond speeds under anycircumstances. Any example of this being broken will result in a immediate disqualification, no questions asked. Hax will similarly be judged under this scale when necessary.
  • Character requests are completely fine! I will need either a fully cited RT or at least a majority of the feats that said character has, however, alongside full disclosure on how strong you think they are. If I discover that you've hidden feats that are off-limits or that break rules, I will provide a immediate disqualification, no questions asked.
  • Posts should be done within the space of 12 days. Extensions can be requested ahead of time: please be reasonable about these if you do end up asking for one because I'm not going to be giving you more than a week at the very most unless you're near death. Respect the patience of myself and those who are waiting to post.

Battlefield

The battle takes place in an uninhabited solar system analogous to our own. Contestants start on an Earth-like planet that will reform after being destroyed 100m away from each other.

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Apologies for the formatting issues! Still figuring some of that out.

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Apologies for the formatting issues! Still figuring some of that out.

spoiler blocks would help

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#6  Edited By CosmicDude

@professorrespect: Can't seem to edit my post to add more spoiler blocks in. Will do better in the next round.

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#7 emperorthanos-  Moderator  Online

@cosmicdude: I'll only respond next week so if you want to edit it or redo it in the mean time thats fine. If you cant edit it just copy it into a new post that should work.

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Introduction

(re-posting)

Most people reading this have seen at least one of the MCU movies with Doctor Stephen Strange. As a live action one pointer, he would seem to be a severe underdog especially when going against a great debater like @emperorthanos-. Perhaps. Or perhaps not when combined with his immensely powerful perks:

  • Time Stone (part of his standard equipment)
  • Helm of Fate
  • Reed Richard’s Brain Power
  • Eternity Mask
  • 1 hour prep on battlefield

The Eternity Mask “gives whoever wears it power equal to any they may face” according to Eternity and proven through feats. Strange with the Eternity Mask alone would be a challenge for any opponent. He is much, much more dangerous in this matchup.

The average Viner could battle Dante or Thanos (or both) and have a solid chance to win with the Eternity Mask. Of course, voters are far above average.

EmperorThanos and I have taken somewhat opposite approaches. ET used perk points to get extra character points. I only used one character point, but have 27 perk points. I'll save any other comments on ET's team to the next round.

Background

Throughout the MCU movies, Strange is faced with universal and multiversal threats including Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet, Dormammu, and Scarlett Witch with the Darkhold, although often with teammates. In one-on-one battles, Strange defeated Sorcerer Supreme Mordo while a prisoner and Dark Dr. Strange who was amped with the Darkhold. His mentor, the Ancient One (Sorcerer Supreme) said, “Strange is meant to be best of us.”

Of course, as a one pointer, Strange also was captured by Ebony Maw, Spider-Man was able to incapacitate him (although arguably he was holding back), he struggled a bit against Gargantos (the Shuma like character in Multiverse of Madness), etc. Yet those are irrelevant to this battle as you’ll see.

He has a number of powerful feats in the following MCU movies:

  • Doctor Strange
  • Thor: Ragnarok
  • Avengers: Infinity War
  • Avengers: Endgame
  • Spider-Man: No Way Home
  • Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness

A few of his feats include:

  • Sealing multiple multiversal rifts at the same time
  • Future sight with the Time Stone to determine an exact path to victory and creating time loops
  • Blocked and transmuted a black hole into butterflies
  • Mind wiped a planet multiple times (with multiversal impact)
  • Separated an opponent’s soul from their body
  • Plus, nullifying invisibility, teleportation, astral plane/mirror dimension, controlling the environment, clones, shields, and many others

For now, it’s enough to understand that he is a very smart and talented human sorcerer with experience confronting extremely dangerous threats as a force for good. With his perks and prep time, he should not be underestimated.

Perks

Before getting into the details on my perks, let’s look at how to turn a 1 pointer into a powerhouse through an ideal combination of 27 perk points:

  1. Intelligence (Reed’s brain power, insights from Helm of Fate, Eternity Mask, prep)
  2. Knowledge of your team and the future (once the battle starts, the Time Stone, Reed’s brain power, Mask of Eternity, etc. enable this)
  3. Prep before the battle AND after it starts (with knowledge and the addition of your powers to his own)
  4. Gaining power equal to opponents. Any powers, hax or win conditions that you have, Strange now has. (Eternity Mask)
  5. Control of time. Future sight, accelerate personal time, rewind, etc. (Time Stone, Helm of Fate)
  6. Precognition (Eternity Mask and Helm of Fate plus Time Stone)
  7. Speed (maximum by using Time Stone plus Helm of Fate)
  8. Unable to be scanned or found plus intangible, protection against hax, etc. (Eternity Mask, Helm of Fate, Strange’s magic)
  9. Immensely strong and fast with vast shielding (Eternity Mask, Helm of Fate, Strange’s magic)
  10. Battlefield preparation (during prep)

Strange has the perfect combination of attributes to get the most out of his perks.

Time Stone (Infinity Stone)

The Time Stone can control time. It enables Strange to slow, stop, rewind, loop, accelerate personal speed, slow aging, see into the past or futures, etc. Dr. Strange used the Time Stone against Thanos to peer into 14,000,605 different futures to find the only way to win. He also used it to stalemate Dormammu by looping time among other instances. Time jumping, remnants, and speeding up or rewinding one's own time are allowed for this battle. The Time Stone is considered part of Dr. Strange’s standard equipment for this tournament.

One way to look at my build is to ask if the Time Stone would be worth 1 perk or character point? Adding in Strange’s own capabilities and experience is a bonus.

Using the Time Stone against Thanos
Using the Time Stone against Thanos

Helm of Fate

Dr. Fate’s Helm is constructed from Nth metal and enables many magical abilities along with helping a human become as strong as Superman. While each Dr. Fate has a somewhat different set of powers, those with previous experience with magic and sorcery along with being good, intelligent and capable, have been the most powerful and effective at using the Helm’s powers.

Some of the many powers are: speed, strength, flight, invisibility, illusions, shields, time travel, precognition, telepathy, phasing, mystical senses, telekinesis, enhanced intellect, cosmic awareness, negation aura, cloning, healing, changing size, magical repository and library, soul manipulation, energy manipulation, and many more. Worthy users get more out of the Helm’s powers including the ability to counteract and negate magical forces. Of course, there are limits such as not being able to defeat the Spectre although that is beyond the limits of this tournament.

Helm of Fate
Helm of Fate

Reed Richard’s Brain Power

Just going to leave these here…

Accessing Watcher's Cyclopedia Universum
Accessing Watcher's Cyclopedia Universum

I know everything!
I know everything!

Over 1 billion Earth's downloaded into his brain
Over 1 billion Earth's downloaded into his brain

Doctor Strange will get the maximum benefit from his perks and decisions during prep and the battle with his immense intelligence. With the Time Stone, he will now have detailed knowledge as well (see battle section).

Eternity Mask

My biggest perk, at 13 points, is the Eternity Mask.

Eternity Mask
Eternity Mask

Eternity states, “…gives whoever wears it power equal to any they may face.”
Eternity states, “…gives whoever wears it power equal to any they may face.”

It’s most famous (or It’s most famous (or infamous) feat is helping America Chavez versus Beyonder.

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Felt pain again! On a level never experienced!
Felt pain again! On a level never experienced!

Now I won’t be arguing that the Eternity Mask will give Doctor Strange the Beyonder’s power. That’s just to show the Eternity Mask doesn’t have any current upper limits. It will however, give Strange powers to battle his opponents in addition to his own. While each instance with the Eternity Mask is different, it is simplest to assume that every power your team has will also be mine plus my other perks and prep. This doesn’t automatically mean Strange wins, but it puts him in a very strong position.

A few feats for the Eternity Mask:

It gives a view into space, time, and even narratives
It gives a view into space, time, and even narratives

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It shows the wearer insights and can guide where to go and what should be seen to prepare for upcoming threats.
It shows the wearer insights and can guide where to go and what should be seen to prepare for upcoming threats.

It can help the wearer find opponents and dimensionally shift into highly secured locations.
It can help the wearer find opponents and dimensionally shift into highly secured locations.

Hunting opponents across realities
Hunting opponents across realities

In the same instance, even the Eye of Agamotto can't help see who the Eternity Mask wearer really is.
In the same instance, even the Eye of Agamotto can't help see who the Eternity Mask wearer really is.

The Helm of Fate helps protect against scans too. It will be very difficult for you to learn useful information about Strange.

Mor-I-Dun, the Sorcerer Supreme of the Fifth Cosmos cannot read the wearer of the mask.
Mor-I-Dun, the Sorcerer Supreme of the Fifth Cosmos cannot read the wearer of the mask.

With almost no effort (
With almost no effort ("so instinctively, so effortlessly"), he is able to block attacks.

In Chimeroid’s first round match, he wrote:

“For my one piece of Non-Standard gear, I wanted to use the Eternity Mask, as Loki was the one to use it. But Professor really did make a fair ruling when he told me that the way Loki used the mask is way too OP for this tournament…”

Doctor Strange with the Eternity Mask (plus Helm of Fate, Time Stone, Reed’s brain power and prep) won’t break the limits of the tournament, but he will be able to match or exceed anything his opponents can do.

1 hour prep on battlefield

Prep will break down into the following phases:

1. Strange will instantly know he will be facing an extremely serious threat and has one hour to prepare. The Eternity Mask and Helm of Fate will give some clues through precognition although, unfortunately, nothing close to full knowledge. With Reed’s brain power he will realize the threat is far beyond anything he has previously faced (live action universal and multiversal threats) and that it is entirely up to him to stop the threat.

2. He will explore the Helm of Fate and Eternity Mask and their powers and insights. Reed’s brain power makes this a straightforward process. This will take about 5 minutes before Strange understands his new abilities. He is now much faster and stronger along with being immensely smarter and more powerful. He understands the urgent need to prepare as much as possible.

3. Since he doesn’t have prior knowledge of his opponents beyond clues from precognition and magnitude, the threat could come from many different directions. As such, Strange will look to buy time. He only needs an instant once the battle starts to use the Time Stone (which cannot be used during prep due to tournament rules). He has used the Time Stone against both Dormammu and Thanos. This leads to his strategy – maximum defense for the first instant of battle, then safely using the Time Stone and other items to understand the threat and identify paths to victory. Then using his prep, perks, powers and intelligence to defeat his opponents. With Reed’s brain power this should be a trivial effort, but let’s say 5 minutes to come up with his strategy. As Strange knows the “rules” of this battle (meaning what he can’t do due to the tournament rules), he also knows what is possible to implement his strategy.

4. Strange knows he can access items and knowledge throughout the multiverse (dimensional portals and summoning are simple for him). After briefly scanning for ideal targets (remember the Eternity Mask shows him where to go), he will clone himself four times to speed up this process. Two targeting the Book of Vishanti and related items and knowledge in different universes, one the Tower of Fate, and one the Baxter building. As Sorcerer Supreme Mordo says about the Book of Vishanti, “The Darkhold’s antithesis. It can give a sorcerer whatever power they need to vanquish their enemy.” This takes 15 minutes including creating some additional personal protections to avoid unwanted attention to ease this task. The goal here is safe acquisition of additional knowledge (magical and technological) or tools to help create the maximum initial defense as well as general options to fight against massive, but largely unknown threats. If any items are unavailable or too risky to gather or would take too long, Strange will return and seek alternatives, if time allows, knowing that he can also return after the battle starts (see The Battle section).

Clones
Clones

5. After collecting the items and learning the additional knowledge, he reabsorbs the clones and amps himself to his limits (or the tournament limits). The Helm of Fate and Eternity Mask already protect against mind, soul, magic, and TK attacks among others. And the Eternity Mask prevents scans even from the Eye of Agamotto or other Sorcerer Supremes. Knowing he doesn’t have much time to prepare, he will greatly amp his speed first. Then deploy every manner of defense that Reed’s brain power can think of. Becoming invisible, undetectable, intangible, as many different types of (stacked) shields and protections as possible against immense, yet largely unknown hax and threats. Once he is fully protected, he will shrink to nano scale, coat himself with magic and then clone himself 50 times. All clones will be amped to his same limits. Doctor Strange created clones against Thanos along with Fate against Spectre. This takes 25 minutes.

Creating clones against Thanos
Creating clones against Thanos

Coating with magic to protect against anti-matter
Coating with magic to protect against anti-matter

6. For the final step of Strange’s maximum initial defense strategy, he will focus on battlefield preparation, summons and illusions once he is completely secure. As seen in the Dr Fate scans, these are straightforward for him. The battlefield itself will attack Strange’s opponents and be made of anti-matter. 999 creatures from the Netherworlds will be summoned. If these creatures need additional amps, that will be done, up to tournament limits. Finally, illusions will provide additional distractions from the first instant of battle. Since Strange is now unable to be scanned, this will be more than enough to distract or overwhelm his opponents for a short while. Any additional time will be spent preparing for even more serious threats.

Battlefield prep
Battlefield prep

Netherworld summons
Netherworld summons

The Battle

Maximum defense --> knowledge of future / win conditions --> any additional prep (if needed) --> victory

The first instant of battle, Strange will use the Time Stone to accelerate his personal time to the maximum to speed up his thinking and actions and BFR himself to safely gain up to 60 seconds to predict the future. He could shift to the future on the battlefield or the mirror dimension or Kamar-Taj or anywhere in the multiverse.

During this period, he will understand his additional new abilities (from the Eternity Mask once the battle starts), and duplicate what he did against Thanos when he scanned 14,000,605 futures in 18 seconds of screen time. With Reed’s brain power and enhanced speed via the Time Stone, this should only take a few seconds. Strange can scan billions of possible futures, if needed.

While still completely safe in BFR, and depending on the outcome of the future scans, Strange may decide to gather still more items to target any weaknesses on your team. As well as casting any additional spells or leveraging technologies for both offense and defense. Basically, this is an extended prep period only now with knowledge and additional powers.

When fully prepared, Strange will shift back to the first instant of the match (or any other optimal instant) while still completely hidden and shielded with all protections and illusions in place knowing his certain paths to victory.

If, at any time, Strange determines that he needs to rewind time or additional prep, he or one of his clones will do that. Resetting the battle to an even stronger position.

Options / Win Conditions

  1. The battlefield and summons are anti-matter destroying your team
  2. Mind wipe your team
  3. Find your weaknesses and use specific targeted attacks to incapacitate or destroy
  4. De-power your team
  5. Destroy star and planet
  6. Trap your team in the mirror dimension
  7. Redirect your attacks via portals or other magic
  8. Spam intense attacks given his immense speed (via maximizing use of Time Stone)
  9. Blunt force
  10. Separate your soul from your body
  11. Transmutation
  12. Restrain your body with clones (what Strange did to Thanos)
  13. Magic from the Book of Vishanti, Kamar-Taj, Tower of Fate, Helm of Fate, etc.
  14. Any other options which Reed’s brain power plus precognition plus the Time Stone’s future scan decide to act upon

Note this doesn't (yet) include his opponent's powers or hax. Now Strange has these too. By understanding his new abilities (essentially his opponent’s abilities and powers via the Eternity Mask), he may use those against you. So whatever win conditions you have, Strange now has. By using the Time Stone, he will know exactly which futures, decisions, and actions lead to wins.

Summary

Dr. Strange has huge advantages in this fight.

  • Reed’s intelligence (maximum although Brainiac could be consider the same)
  • Knowledge of your team and the future (maximum)
  • Control of time (maximum)
  • All of your powers plus his own
  • Precognition
  • Speed (maximum)
  • Unable to be scanned or found
  • Immensely strong and fast with vast shielding
  • Battlefield preparation
  • Prep before the battle and after it starts (now with full knowledge and the addition of your powers to his own)

@emperorthanos- @professorrespect

I'm excited to see what you come up with and to debate against you. Good luck!

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#10  Edited By Agmine570

Interesting. TAEP!

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#11  Edited By HarryCleese

Eternity Mask??? A most clever strategem indeed, methinks!

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@cosmicdude: here it is. may need to edit for typos later.

Team Kill Kent

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As can be seen my Team is comprised of various Superman Villains. I'm not going to waste time introducing each of them and just go into the post.

Prep

Before hand I want to say several of these characters have teamed up in the past or have worked in a team in general for their goal bar maybe H'el. So they shouldn't have any issues teaming up here either if means victory. H'el himself just wasn't around long enough but he still was willing to team up with others for his goal.

Prep Anywhere

So for my prep anywhere location I will be going to Braniac's ship. A few steps will be taken on the ship at this stage. The idea behind having the prep be on the ship is to get access to his drones and mini skull ships, he has many of them, each capable of taking on high tiers individually

The plan here is Metallo will merge with many of Brainiacs normal skullship. Brainiac and Metallo have worked with either in the past either via a partnership or through Brainiac controlling him. They know each others capabilities and Brainiac has a plethora of skullships and drones that Metallo can take over. Below is simply one example of them working together back in Action Comics 648. The below amp resulted in him gaining many drones and weapons.

But this was done back when Brainiac was just on Earth in a Humans body away from his tech. He has access to a lot more now to give Metallo, specifically he will provide him the skullships and drones. Metallo in the past during Action Comics #805 was able to control around a 1000 drones. Manipulate their shape however he wants and use them to beat a fleet of autopilot spaceships under Zods command.

The reason I'm having Metallo do this instead of just bringing the drones on their own is that Metallo has shown to be better than just regular auto-pilot, and has the ability to rebuild and assimilate metal. On an Earth like Planet he has plenty to work with so even if one gets damaged, he can reform it.

Of course these would be clones or bodies of Metallo. So this is capped at 50, not the 1000 he is capable of. regardless 50 of the skullships are still very dangerous. I have a later feat in the thread on how powerful it is DC wise. But a general idea is that a single Skullship is capable of soloing the entire league bar Superman as seen in Justice League No Justice. In fact this showing gives an example of Brainiac essentially soloing the entire DC Earth of heroes with just his drones and ships. 50 ships, capable of soloing the JL. You can even see in the final image Brainiac's vision showing how he has many of these ships.

Brainiac and Darkseid can also amp the others. Brainiac can amp normal humans to the point of giving them 12th level intellect and telepathy. He did this to some random humans and so he will do this now with Banshee and Ghost Soldier. This is will particularly be usefully for Banshee that I will bring up later on.

Darkseid himself is also capable of empowering and providing abilities. One simple example is during Firestorm #34 where he empowers Kalibak to the point of being able to to casually beat Orion. Under normal circumstances Orion is the superior of the two but Darkseid's amp allowed Kalibak to outright stomp. He can empower the others here similarly, particularly Ghost Soldier and Silver Banshee to bring them up to par.

Prep on Battlefield

So we get one hour on the battlefield. The first thing is going to bring Braniac's ships(Now Metallo clones) to the battlefield. While his main ship is quite large the smaller ones are not and Darkseid can create giant portal to bring them to the battlefield. Which is what he will do at the start of the this. He has created such portals in Constantine #22(Scans in reverse)

Now this will bring a variety of Braniac tech to the field. Several of his skull ships including his main one will all arrive to the battle field. This will allow the ships to be brought to the battlefield which can be used to bring the fodder to the battlefield. There will be skullships and drones being spread through out the field. With one ship staying in space for the team be teleported to.

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His regular physical drones were also cable of taking on Superman decently. Doing a bit of damage, blocking his heat vision via force fields. On its own not the strongest but he can spam them in mass which will do a lot of damage. The sheer numbers will prove to be very deadly.

Brainiac also has access to other fodder in his ship. I'll get into one that has feats and can offer something different from the Drones. That is his personal Starro clone, one of which was capable of taking on the combined green lantern force in Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corp #8. His older drone had one bottled up and was able to control it to attack and capture the GL.

Simultaneously Darkseid will summon a bunch of Parademons to the battlefield. He can summon them in droves, with ships as seen in Wonder Woman #104. Considered one of the deadliest forces in Universe they were able to defeat the Amazons a whole group of Superhumans.

Brainiac will use his technology to take over the Earth Likes planet's resources and tech. Brainiac is a solid technopath who can protect Metallo from such attacks. Brainiac has taken over tech from all over the universe. While not even on Earth he was able to was able to take over technology from all over the globe taking over various auto systems to make robots, Metallo to make his slave and even copying Earths entire database in Action Comics #3-4.

Brainiac is a formidable technopath that should help him protect Metallo and use offensively if needed.

Finally as we approach the start of the battle Ghost Soldier will use his powers to make everyone on my side intangible using his powers. He has done so in the past such as when he made Wonder Woman, Batman and Krypto all intangible to protect them from Mongul as he teleported in the phantom zone during the Superman Doomed storyline. He can do it instantly and doesn't need to be in physical contact with them, thus my characters will start the battle in this state.

This is just for initial purposes during the start of the battle. Any instant attacks or attacks will be avoided through being intang. The team itself will be inside one of the ships up in atmosphere at the start of battle since we still need be on the planet. This will be temporary as I will outline in my strategy.

Strategy

The strategy is simple, distract you for a few seconds with fodder and then blow up the planet and star. Brainiac adopts this quite often to collect planets. In this case he will have Metallo drones combined with all the various different fodder distract you for few seconds while H'el or Ghost Soldier teleports the ship out into space and blows everything up. Pretty simple.

I have already outlined the various fodder and upgraded capabilities that Metallo now has which should be more than sufficient to buy the seconds needed.

And while your the fodder and Metallo distracts Dr Stange, H'el can simply crush his heart telekinetically without having to worry about durability or defenses. This was seen in Action Comics annual #2. Here H'el is able to telekinetically crush the heart of Faora. He can do this from far and unless someone has regen or internal defenses they kill them right there.

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To get an idea of the strength of H'el's TK. He was capable of telekinetically restraining Superman, WonderWoman and Superboy all at the same time in Superman #17. Superman himself has planetary strength in terms of lifting and so being able to restrain him alone is impressive but he is restraining two other powerhouses as well.

To understand just how impressive is, I will bring up the lifting feat in question that was shown at the start of this H'el arc. In Superman #13, Superman benched pressed what was the equivalent of the Earth's entire weight for 5 days straight and only ended up with single drop of sweat after it. Yet he was powerless against H'el's TK. Thats the level of force he has.

Should you some how survive this, the second part of the strat is simple. Blow up everything. My Team is in Brainiacs ship orbitting in space, from there a star busting bomb will be fired destroying everything the solar system as we have seen his Skullship do in the past in Action Comics #867. He shot a random sun destroying it as well as the planets in the system including the one Superman was on. His ship by the way survived the explosion so my team will be safe in there. Similarly the Metallo clones should survive.

Thats the first assault but should you some how survive the attack my team can still attack from far in the ship. Braniac can use his TP to take you out. Brainiac is quite potent, even from light years away he is able to take control Lois who had Telepathic abilities of her own now and then use that against the city during the Superman Doomed Arc. He gave her Telepathy, controlled and took out a city. So Brainiac can safely TP your entire team from out in orbit.

And if you survive all that we finally have Silver Banshee. Banshee has a death wail that can kill any opponent by just saying their name. Brainiac and Banshee have actually teamed up in the past to use this ability to kill a foe several Superman struggled with. She killed an evil Superman who was literally a living star and was tanking attacks from several high tiers. While Superman and Bizarro attempt to destabilize, Brainiac simply tells Banshee his name and she kills him, Braniac seemingly seems to get this info via TP.

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Thats it. Instant death via a magic wail. From what I can deduce based on her other abilities it is essentially magic and from what we see it affects the soul based on other examples of her using this ability. So essentially she kills you by destroying your soul, something regen or such wouldn't help with here. Silver Banshee now with telepathic abilities would be able to scan minds to get the names she needs to kill you. And with Ghost Soldier, they can simply teleport around saying names and teleport away as you are distracted by the others.

Initial Counters

Your plan involves a lot of stuff, just kind of throwing things around and there are several issues with this. I dont want to address everything in you post so I will start with the prep

Prep will break down into the following phases:

1. Strange will instantly know he will be facing an extremely serious threat and has one hour to prepare. The Eternity Mask and Helm of Fate will give some clues through precognition although, unfortunately, nothing close to full knowledge. With Reed’s brain power he will realize the threat is far beyond anything he has previously faced (live action universal and multiversal threats) and that it is entirely up to him to stop the threat.

I'm unclear on how much knowledge your precog is expected to get you. The closest scans is first the one that sees time as a narrative but I dont know much of the time it lets you see or what it even does to help the user.

The other scan is the one where it says the user gets pulled in the direction. But again nothing about telling you what you are up against.

3. Since he doesn’t have prior knowledge of his opponents beyond clues from precognition and magnitude, the threat could come from many different directions. As such, Strange will look to buy time. He only needs an instant once the battle starts to use the Time Stone (which cannot be used during prep due to tournament rules). He has used the Time Stone against both Dormammu and Thanos. This leads to his strategy – maximum defense for the first instant of battle, then safely using the Time Stone and other items to understand the threat and identify paths to victory. Then using his prep, perks, powers and intelligence to defeat his opponents. With Reed’s brain power this should be a trivial effort, but let’s say 5 minutes to come up with his strategy. As Strange knows the “rules” of this battle (meaning what he can’t do due to the tournament rules), he also knows what is possible to implement his strategy.

Didn't Strange famously not use Time Stone against Thanos? Thanos even calls him out for not using his best weapon against him. Unless you mean using to look at futures which I guess that counts. But he didnt use it in battle against Thanos. He did use it against Dormammu but that was one time in another realm and only to stalemate him. Don't see how that helps him here. He has never used to win a fight I guess.

4. Strange knows he can access items and knowledge throughout the multiverse (dimensional portals and summoning are simple for him). After briefly scanning for ideal targets (remember the Eternity Mask shows him where to go), he will clone himself four times to speed up this process. Two targeting the Book of Vishanti and related items and knowledge in different universes, one the Tower of Fate, and one the Baxter building. As Sorcerer Supreme Mordo says about the Book of Vishanti, “The Darkhold’s antithesis. It can give a sorcerer whatever power they need to vanquish their enemy.” This takes 15 minutes including creating some additional personal protections to avoid unwanted attention to ease this task. The goal here is safe acquisition of additional knowledge (magical and technological) or tools to help create the maximum initial defense as well as general options to fight against massive, but largely unknown threats. If any items are unavailable or too risky to gather or would take too long, Strange will return and seek alternatives, if time allows, knowing that he can also return after the battle starts (see The Battle section).

Right this is where the brunt of my problems are because everything here is off. The exact words of the eternity mask is the following

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The Eternity Mask gave a direction on where to go. How does this mean the Eternity Mask is going to help him come up with a giant plan to go to all these different places and gather all this random stuff for him. A direction doesn't equal a full on prep plan to combat a threat you have no idea about. Is there an actual example of the Eternity Mask directing someone to get a weapon in an entirely different universe to fight a threat? In fact if you look at when the Eternity Mask guided the Masked raider, it just guided to people to help, like Daredevil to solve a crime or 616 Strange in Defenders. Which is useless here.

If you are saying this is Strange's idea and the Eternity mask is just helping him find stuff, then why would Strange go to places he has no info on. Baxter Building he wouldnt know about since Reed's brain power doesn't give him the memories. And why would Strange even go after weapons if he doesn't know what he is up against?

The bigger problem though is how are you going go across the multiverse? Dr Strange can't do it on his own, I believe that was a major plot point in the MOM movie. The Eternity Mask doesn't do this. That scan where Zota says "You've hunted me across realities" is during the Defenders story arc where 616 Strange and other members where helping the Masked Raider. They were randomly travelling to the past of the 616 timeline together. It was not through their own power and not through the multiverse but to the past. You haven't shown anything for Helm of Fate to suggest that can be done.

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Thats without mentioning the fact that it would require Strange being able to maintain clones across the multi verse

5. After collecting the items and learning the additional knowledge, he reabsorbs the clones and amps himself to his limits (or the tournament limits). The Helm of Fate and Eternity Mask already protect against mind, soul, magic, and TK attacks among others. And the Eternity Mask prevents scans even from the Eye of Agamotto or other Sorcerer Supremes. Knowing he doesn’t have much time to prepare, he will greatly amp his speed first. Then deploy every manner of defense that Reed’s brain power can think of. Becoming invisible, undetectable, intangible, as many different types of (stacked) shields and protections as possible against immense, yet largely unknown hax and threats. Once he is fully protected, he will shrink to nano scale, coat himself with magic and then clone himself 50 times. All clones will be amped to his same limits. Doctor Strange created clones against Thanos along with Fate against Spectre. This takes 25 minutes.

Now I have already expressed my issues regarding getting the gear lets talk about some of this. I'm going to need scans for just about everything here. You have Reed's brainpower but you still have Stephens character. So you may be able to come with new plans but you may not do them or be able to execute them. For example amp his speed, has he ever been able to do that or ever have done it? Similarly shrink to nano scale? How and Why would he do that? Even the shields, what kind of shields? and against what powers? There is just a lot of stuff up in the air that it supposedly going to blanket protect him from everything. I don't know where you are getting numbers from. How do you know this will all 25 mins, if you don't even know what shields need to be put up.

Also you bring up Eye of Agamotto not being able to scan the Eternity Mask, yet in that same run Surfer was able to figure out who he was through his Aura so it might just prevent magic from figuring it out.

For the final step of Strange’s maximum initial defense strategy, he will focus on battlefield preparation, summons and illusions once he is completely secure. As seen in the Dr Fate scans, these are straightforward for him. The battlefield itself will attack Strange’s opponents and be made of anti-matter. 999 creatures from the Netherworlds will be summoned. If these creatures need additional amps, that will be done, up to tournament limits. Finally, illusions will provide additional distractions from the first instant of battle. Since Strange is now unable to be scanned, this will be more than enough to distract or overwhelm his opponents for a short while. Any additional time will be spent preparing for even more serious threats.

You didn't show any scans regarding the illusion part but I should ask, if he is going to nano scale now? how he is going to operate on such a huge scale. The battlefield is the entire Earth and your scan shows him controlling some sand and creating a single summon. Not summoning people in droves the way I showed Darkseid doing above for example. It seems like summoning so many fodder while supposedly in nano scale now is going to be every difficult especially if he can only do them one at a time.

The first instant of battle, Strange will use the Time Stone to accelerate his personal time to the maximum to speed up his thinking and actions and BFR himself to safely gain up to 60 seconds to predict the future. He could shift to the future on the battlefield or the mirror dimension or Kamar-Taj or anywhere in the multiverse.

During this period, he will understand his additional new abilities (from the Eternity Mask once the battle starts), and duplicate what he did against Thanos when he scanned 14,000,605 futures in 18 seconds of screen time. With Reed’s brain power and enhanced speed via the Time Stone, this should only take a few seconds. Strange can scan billions of possible futures, if needed.

I think your plan here causes you more harm than good. Without going into why I don't think this is even possible I will point that Darkseid has a very solid counter to this. He can easily travel across realms himself and more over he is able to track people across Realms like he did to John Constantine in Constantine #22, Constantine was travelling through realm as fast as he could but no matter where he ended up Darkseid found him almost instantly.

So Strange portals to another realm and while he spends time looking at futures, he is completely open allowing Darkseid just shows up with the team and kill him. It honestly makes your entire plan and prep moot because you take Strange away from everything and make him a sitting duck to be attacked. This only takes seconds given how powerful and fast my characters are.

That said Dr Strange doesn't just up and leave in the middle of a fight to view the future. He will be overwhelmed with fodder and crushed before that.

Overall Thoughts

This is just a primer post. Putting out what my team will be doing and few initial counters to your post that I needed to point out. I think my plan is a bit more specific and clear, overwhelm with fodder while the main guys attack from far. Yours is more do whatever you can as quickly as you can, involving things we haven't see Strange do ever. Even if we disregard all the flaws and assume the plan does happen. Your fodder will be handling my fodder as the rest of the team is already far above. The Eternity Mask makes you equal to the foe in front of you it doesn't let you copy everyone's abilities in the area. You more immediate foe will likely be a parademons or a Braniac drone. No where near the level of the rest of my team. Strange's heart will get crushed by H'el or just blown up. And even if you somehow do pull off portaling somewhere else. Darkseid will simply track Strange, teleport over and kill him while he is wasting time viewing futures. Either way my team wins.

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Very nice. I’ll try to respond soon although unfortunately I’m out of town taking care of a very ill relative so may take some time.

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Very nice. I’ll try to respond soon although unfortunately I’m out of town taking care of a very ill relative so may take some time.

cool, as I said via PM let us know if you'll need extra time or whatnot

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I’ll try to post by next weekend. Will let you know if I need a short extension.

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@cosmicdude said:

I’ll try to post by next weekend. Will let you know if I need a short extension.

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got 3 days unless you want extension

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@professorrespect: Can I have until end of day this coming Sunday?

Will try to post sooner.

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