Does Vegeta Always Lose? Vegeta (Dragon Ball Z Namek Saga) vs Yamamoto (Bleach)

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Most ppl will say Vegeta because he's much stronger, but realistically both sides have a chance.

Yamamoto has invisibility in his favor, soul crush to which Vegeta has zero resistance, and bankai brings even more wincons for the shinigami.

Vegeta has an advantage in AP, so any well-placed aoe would obliterate Yamamoto.

Which of the two do I see executing their wincon first? Honestly, Yamamoto.

Last i heard Ichigo was large planet to universe level via battling Ywache whom Yamamoto scales too as well. So I wonder where Bleach fans are at to clarify this.

@sirfizzwhizz: the problem is that EoS Ichigo is the strongest person in the verse statswise, Yamamoto isn't even close to that level.

Yamamoto is scaled between moon~planet level, depending on the person. Personally, I have him as moon level pushing small planet.

Actually, with the anime ongoing and changes happening, Yamamoto might get lucky and be scaled to god tiers which would make him stronger than canon DBZ. But for now, he doesn't receive that scale so any attack from Vegeta has the potential to one shot.

Vegeta gives him the Saibaman treatment.

Vegeta one taps

Vegeta oneshots

I'd bet on Yamamoto due to more win conditions and the fact I feel like he could actually win

Counters to Vegeta raising two fingers?

Vegeta blitzes and one shots.

Yamamotos feats are terrible compared. His strongest attack which came at the cost of his arm only leveled a small town his bankai only able to destroy a planet overtime which would take several hours.

How is this not a mismatch again?

@maulsmacker: beard

Vegeta oneshots.

Yeah I think its a closer match than most would want.

Has Vegeta feats of pure heat resistance at all?

Yamaji stomps.

What passive heat feats does Yamamoto have? Mind presenting them, and explaining why casual moon destroying blasts won't kill Yamamoto?

Cuz to me, it seems like..

@thenamelessone said:

To do what Vegeta did with the Saibamen he would have to know where Yamamoto is, something he wouldn't know thanks to the shinigami's invisibility.

Nicov's question is quite interesting. Does this Vegeta have any heat resistance? I'm tempted to say that even a direct attack from Ryujin Jakka would toast the saiyan.

Not that it's very relevant, as the old man wouldn't need flame-based attacks since soul crush is 100% a wincon.

Vegeta points at him. He's faster and way, way more powerful.

@kisukez: Ki is partially spiritual. It's fair to assume if Vegeta can sense ki, he can sense reishi as well. As for heat resistance, saiyans can no sell reentry while not actively using ki, more than enough to tank Yama's heat, a direct attack never hits Vegeta, he's too fast. Show me Yama soul crushing someone with Vegeta's amount of ki.

@estrelladeleonn: doesn't Yamamoto scale almost to Ichigo in Town arc where Aizen used gravity and pressure to warp space and time no affect on Ichigo, basically neutron star levels of gravity pressure?

Yamamoto was a major threat to this version of Azien and Azien was capable of that kind of attack ability.

Yamamoto also scales way above Kenpachi whose Bankai was casual moon busting level as well.

Still Vegeta an actual planet even moon buster unlike Yamamoto.

Really its more like Yamamoto Flames, Hax, and Speed vs Vegeta Planet Bust Power and Speed.

@gaoron:

Ki is partially spiritual. It's fair to assume if Vegeta can sense ki, he can sense reishi as well.

Reishi no, reiatsu.

And no, I don't see any reason for Vegeta to be able to sense Yamamoto's reiatsu. The energies may have similarities, but they are not the same thing or do the same things.

Extra sense from Dragon Ball is garbage for cross-verse battles, it's not a general ability, it's specifically ki-based. It's garbage exactly like the reikaku of the shinigami, which works based on reiatsu. Neither of them here can sense each other.

Many shonens use this concept of vital/mental/spiritual energy as the basis for the power system of the verse, if we start sharing feats because verses have similarities in this base, lol I can already imagine the mess it would be.

As for heat resistance, saiyans can no sell reentry while not actively using ki, more than enough to tank Yama's heat, a direct attack never hits Vegeta, he's too fast.

Scans?

A direct attack will hit Vegeta. He's not faster, nor can he see or sense Yamamoto. If he doesn't end the fight immediately with a large AOE (he won't do that), the shinigami has all the space in the world to attack.

Show me Yama soul crushing someone with Vegeta's amount of ki.

I can't show you, because nobody in Bleach has ki, therefore, nobody with a large amount of ki has ever suffered sc.

But you can start by posting Vegeta's feats of resistance to attacks that affect the soul that might suggest that Yama doesn't win the fight like that.

easily vegeta he oneshotes yamoto

@thenamelessone: A single Saibaman has s power level of 1,200 and Buff Roshi has a PL of 180 and his Kamehameha around 540. So Vegeta's fingers annihilated a character with 2,2x moon level durability.

If Yamamoto starts in bankai than he has a chance of beating him that’s only if Vegeta isn’t being stopped by his pride into taking Yamamoto head on. He didn’t do the finger technique on anyone other than beaten Saibamen and beaten Nappa. So I wouldn’t assume it’s his goto move since he didn’t use against any of the Z fighters and Yamamoto turns him to dust on contact since dbs showed Goku and Vegeta being vulnerable to lava.

Yamamoto wins since this isn’t a bloodlusted Vegeta.

@ilyas97: vegeta in base is a planet buster yamato couldnt scratch vegeta if he tried maybe he could give him sunburn idk

@dogsrus: and yet the same Vegeta who was universal was vulnerable to lava so no, Yamamoto burns him to dust. Unless you wanna represent feats of Vegeta surviving the sun than we will debate further.

@aksilroch: Are you seriously trying to justify math with power levels that make no sense in Dragonball 😳 That is one of the worst arguments the DB fan can make.🤔

@ilyas97: one kii blast oneshots yamomoto in characters yamomoto doesnt start with his heat

@dogsrus: nope it doesn’t lmao. The ki blast won’t reach Yamamoto because of his Cloke of 15 million degrees unless you wanna debate vegetas ki to be of a higher levels of temperature than the sun.

@ilyas97: ki is spiritual energy spiritual energy can not be burned you cant burn energy no matter how hot

@sirfizzwhizz: Those power levels are official. No head-canon

I never said the were not official. I said only to do math on those numbers, and scale them via some fan wank headcanon physics equation is foolish and stupid. Thats what I said.

Ki Shields are specifically shown to fend of Lava and heat like attacks, just that the character actual durability, no ki shield up, would get roasted by lava temperatures.

@sirfizzwhizz: and there’s no evidence of it going through 15 million degrees of temperature.

@ilyas97:

there is by the simple fact that you cant burn energy

West isn't the only wincon from Zanka no Tachi. East is existence erasure.

If Vegeta gets hit = ded

Kenpachi with Bankai against Gerard would destroy Yamamoto, he achieved Bankai wayyyyy later after Yamamoto's death.

Yamamoto was probably capable of beating Base Shinigami Aizen, before Aizen transcended using Hogyoku

The Aizen who had a space time warping Kurohitsugi was God Aizen, the version that transcended beyond what it means to be a Shinigami and reached the level of God/Soul King, was literally about to create entire Squad Zero from himself and take the place of the Soul King, he would one-shot Yamamoto and destroy Ichibei.

@sirfizzwhizz: It doesn't matter. It's a lowball anywau

@kisukez said:

West isn't the only wincon from Zanka no Tachi. East is existence erasure.

If Vegeta gets hit = ded

Is that the only scan you have of it? If so this doesn't not warrant existence erasure.

@maulsmacker: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/bankai-yamamoto-vs-bankai-kenpachi-1984480/

Majority seems to disagree with that statement.