Current Zoro vs Current Sanji (READ)

Zoro still extreme diffs. Sanji hasn't had enough drawn-out, stamina draining fights to scale him to Zoro’s stat level and while he's faster Zoro’s CoC is better as he has partial control over it.

Zoro wins, slightly harder than it was against Lucci

Implying he beat Lucci

By feats sanji high diff

By portrayal zoro extreme diff

Non-Bandana Zorro high-diffs

I dont get why people wanking Sanji hurting the speedster of the Gorosei.His forte aint Durability

Zoro has better attack power

@ragegod: I am

Zoro low diff

ACoC is the difference maker (lol)

Zoro, too skilled. This battle was also answered in-universe where Sanji straight admits Zoro would kill him in a serious fight to the death.

sanji defeated kizaru while zoro defeated lucci, in egghead arc, so sanji should scale higher officialy, especially with ifrit jambe, although it is a bit hard to tell whether kizaru or lucci is stronger, it seemes awakened lucci is stronger than kaido/bigmom for sure, and kizaru is probably a bit above them but slightly below lucci

@ruwaigan said:

Sanji never fought Kizaru

@akumu: @ruwaigan: sanji win kizaru wtf

zoro high

Zoro

What are you talking about? You mean Pre-IFJ Sanji who had no confidence in himself yet?

After Wano is over Zoro reminds him of this statement and Sanji takes it back. Then Sanji fights KOH Zoro with IFJ….

Zoro wins extreme diff but that example you brought up is a non- argument.

@nassergrant19:

What is this headcanon you’ve made up about not having confidence?

‘After Wano is over Zoro reminds him of this statement and Sanji takes it back.’

He takes it back because he hadn’t lost his mind therefore it’s no longer applicable, he straight up says he’s sane. Trying to twist things to suit your narrative won’t fly with me.

‘Then Sanji fights KOH Zoro with IFJ….’

Do try your best to explain how this was a serious fight to the death or KO and not one of their usual gag fights which is always a stalemate.

‘Zoro wins extreme diff but that example you brought up in a non-argument.’

You did a pretty awful job of explaining why.

@socajunkie:

What is this headcanon you’ve made up about not having confidence?

Oda’s headcanon

He takes it back because he hadn’t lost his mind

Peak headcanon.

He takes it back because he thinks he can beat KOH Zoro. That’s why he fights KOH Zoro and tells him to die instead.

therefore it’s no longer applicable, he straight up says he’s sane. Trying to twist things to suit your narrative won’t fly with me.

Blud thinks Sanji straight up affirming he’s above Zoro Post-KOH isn’t a direct contradiction of what Pre-IFJ Sanji had previously said💀💀😭

Do try your best to explain how this was a serious fight

The fact that they used their strongest forms…but nah I’ll just let Oda do it.

You did a pretty awful job of explaining why.

Sanji has superior speed and enough COA mastery to block some of his KOH slashes as he blocked a Black Blade from Nusjuro while in Base and only using DJ. He’ll be able to severely damage Zoro as his GA AP can slightly damage Flames on Lunarians, and straight up destroy Kizaru’s beam which was stated to be a threat to Lunarians by Vegapunk himself. Zoro will win through Acoc Tatsumaki AOE attacks that will tag him in the air while he zips in with Skywalk And slowly ware him down. So yeah Zoro extreme diff.

I feel like people aren't aware by feats sanji is superior as of egghead arc

Sanji is more durable than zoro..This isn't really debatable..Sure zoro has more endurance but sanji has regeneration..so yea..sanji is overall more of a tank and harder to put down.

Sanji is also quite frankly alot faster than zoro by feats and more agile in a fight due to superior coO and flight.

Now as for A.P zoro had always dominated this category for a while untill sanjis recent feats people tend to overlook.

A vegapunk panicking and scared at the thought of a seraphim getting hit by a laser ..he even says they're not ready to take one yet

G4+hybrid lucci+zoro+ kaku raining barrages of attacks on seraphims

Their attacks are not able to deal any significant damage or put them down and we see another vegapunk there not even panicking at watching the seraphims taking the beat down from the squad

So lasers>> g4+lucci+zoro+kaku barrage of attacks in AP (which I find absurd but it is what it is 🤷🏽)

Then we have sanji destroying &blocking one with a kick

Then there's zoro who says he can't block attacks that are like lasers..

Point is sanji is at least comparable to zoro in Ap if not higher based on the feats posted

And like I Said above at first sanji is superior in the other categories as well ..hence why sanji would high diff by feats

@nassergrant19:

‘Oda’s headcanon’

He’s referring to the possibility of turning into a psychopath in regards to accepting his fate in addition to his amp. You’re misrepresenting the context of Sanji’s statement via omission. Furthermore, Sanji’s statement to Zoro comes after he’d already crushed his suit and after he acknowledges being capable of crushing Queen. That’s what he said verbatim. I’ll repeat it again because I don’t want any mental gymnastics performed to dodge it: Sanji’s Zoro request comes after the former states his ability to stomp Queen. This renders your scan moot given he takes his amp into consideration.

‘Peak headcanon.’

Directly from Sanji’s mouth comes the statement that he’s sane. He tells Zoro to forget about it because he’s sane and hasn’t lose his mind, Zoro then taunts him and they start fighting. To comprehend anything else from this interaction is a gross application of common sense and basic literary skills.

‘He takes it back because he thinks he can beat KOH Zoro. That’s why he fights KOH Zoro and tells him to die instead.’

No, he takes it back because he doesn’t lose his mind as Sanji himself clarifies. You can keep repeating your headcanon to suit an agenda but I assure you, no gaslighting will take place here. Additionally, taking the words exchanged during a gag fight as literal is asinine given the abundance of times they’ve said they’d kill/KO eachother during these skirmishes. Oda saying they fight seriously doesn’t mean they want to actually kill each other. How many times have real life siblings fought ‘seriously’? The goal is to harm/prove a point, not to kill. If you truly believe they’re literally fighting to the death each time, you’re too far gone for objective debating and have issues understanding subtext.

‘Blud thinks Sanji straight up affirming he’s above Zoro Post-KOH isn’t a direct contradiction of what Pre-IFJ Sanji had previously said💀💀😭’

It’s only a contradiction when your agenda overpowers critical thinking and literary comprehension skills.

‘The fact that they used their strongest forms…but nah I’ll just let Oda do it.’

Fighting seriously =/= fighting to the death, ‘kill you’ statements notwithstanding. They’ve done this exact same thing countless times before and Sanji still acknowledged he’s below Zoro. And if we’re being thorough, Asura is Zoro’s strongest form, not KoH.

‘Sanji has superior speed and enough COA mastery to block some of his KOH slashes as he blocked a Black Blade from Nusjuro while in Base and only using DJ. He’ll be able to severely damage Zoro as his GA AP can slightly damage Flames on Lunarians, and straight up destroy Kizaru’s beam which was stated to be a threat to Lunarians by Vegapunk himself. Zoro will win through Acoc Tatsumaki AOE attacks that will tag him in the air while he zips in with Skywalk And slowly ware him down. So yeah Zoro extreme diff.’

Superior speed’s effectiveness lessened by Zoro’s superior skill, chances of getting hit further mitigated by three swords covering him or nine swords should he choose to use Asura-which he won’t need. In conclusion, with my prior arguments combined with yours, (that I mostly agree with) results in Zoro winning high diff not extreme. He’ll walk away having put in a shift but won’t be knocking on death’s door or anything of the sort.

@socajunkie:

This renders your scan moot given he takes his amp into consideration.

Nice Try. Sanji did not even develop IFJ at this point and he was no where near full health when this comment was made. A fatigued, Injured Pre-IFJ mentioning this is irrelevant and doesn’t further your agenda in the slightest.

No, he takes it back because he doesn’t lose his mind as Sanji himself clarifies.

No he takes it back because Sanji believes he’s stronger than KOH Zoro.

You using Fatigued Heavily injured Pre-IFJ Sanji’s words destroys your agenda as currently Sanji believes he’s stronger than Current Zoro.

The fact that y’all took a touching moment between rivals and turned it into Zoro agenda is wild. Sanji had no idea how strong he was or how strong he’d become later on. Let it go.

Oda saying they fight seriously doesn’t mean they want to actually kill each other.

You can use full power(Fighting Seriously) without trying to kill lol. Sanji and Zoro have never killed their opponents and neither has Luffy.

And if we’re being thorough, Asura is Zoro’s strongest form, not KoH.

Yeah and Sanji’s is Hell Memories not IFJ.

Superior speed’s effectiveness lessened by Zoro’s superior skill, chances of getting hit further mitigated by three swords covering him

King and Lucci who are slower than Sanji tagged him with 3 swords just fine. He’s gonna be landing combos like he always does. It’s gonna do tremendous damage but Zoro’s endurance will help him respond.

or nine swords should he choose to use Asura-which he won’t need.

As it wouldn’t hit…

Sanji doesn’t stand around like Kaido.

He’ll walk away having put in a shift but won’t be knocking on death’s door or anything of the sort.

I got extreme as he would be on deaths door after taking kicks from Current Sanji. Zoro isn’t more durable than S-Shark, Nusjuro, or Kizaru’s beams.

@nassergrant19:

Sanji, through kinaesthesia, knows himself better than you know him. He hadn’t used nor developed IJ at that point, but he clearly had a general idea of how powerful he’d be, given the vehemence put into his crushing of Queen statement. Being fatigued is irrelevant because Queen was also fatigued, balancing things out, and Sanji once again would have taken this into consideration.

This is your agenda talking. Sanji's stating his sane state of mind has a clear correlation to why he didn’t need Zoro to kill him. Using scans where they’re heated in the midst of squabbling won’t fly, as by their nature, they aren’t as reliable as when compared to being uttered when calm or focused.

Already addressed, this is a continuation of your poor literary comprehension skills, especially sub-text.

Sanji himself has an idea of how strong he would become, as evidenced by his Queen statement, which was made more unambiguous as he’d physically finished his awakening; all that was left was him mentally letting go. This is a case of you thinking you know Sanji better than he knows himself. In extension, Sanji’s hypothesis was proven true when he dominated Queen after letting go; thus, my argument is supported by the source material. Moreover, the statement was also made without Sanji’s knowledge of Zoro’s ACoC awakening.

Zoro wasn’t using his full power, so your first clause is void. Sanji’s statement was actually about a fight to the death because he says he wants Zoro to kill him if the former loses his humanity; therefore, your second clause is likewise void. The same logic is used for your last; however, it’s false at face value anyway because Zoro has factually killed before: he was a bounty hunter for most of his life, and he killed Mr. 7.

Asura is a more powerful form than IFJ.

Omissive disingenuousness might seem prudent to you, but it’s fragile next to analytical scrutiny. Reducing this argument to Sanji being faster, therefore he tags Zoro is lazy. King mainly tagged Zoro when the latter was getting his Haki sapped or fluctuated by Enma; once Zoro synergized with his blade, he had King on the back foot for the rest of the fight’s duration. King tagged Zoro with a kick, which Roronoa used the momentum for to supplement Bird Dance’s AP—an example of Zoro using his skill to use a flying opponent’s velocity against them. What’s more, King’s collossal size makes him harder to dodge from close range, harder to manoeuvre around, and harder to counter-attack, respectively, than Sanji. Furthermore, he’s more versatile than the chef, meaning Zoro had to take more factors into account. This extends to Lucci too, who is larger than Sanji and possesses claws, therefore having a reach advantage, using all four of his limbs, thereby being less predictable than Sanji’s legs-only style. These patterns of attack were further enhanced by Rokushiki. In summary, saying Sanji’s speed means he definitively tags Zoro is rudimentary and doesn’t take into account other aspects of combat.

Asura amped Zoro’s speed to the point where he blitzed Kaido. Assuming Kaido just wanted to take it, fails to take into account his getting told by Big Mom to dodge a lesser CoA-amped attack.

Zoro’s superior skill, timing, and reach mean he isn’t getting kicked by Sanji frequently enough to make this extreme difference. This is further supported by Sanji being a much more predictable fighter than Lucci or King, given the cook’s limited repertoire and points of attack.

Sanji has better speed feats, better durability feats, and durability bypass, as well as better heat resistance feats.

No real reason to say Zoro wins besides the fact that you might think he looks cooler.

Sanji has superior skill feats in actually learning and mastering CP9 techniques while Zoro's best feat of mastery thus far is replicating Kinemon. And still being unable to skywalk.

No real argument for Zoro here.

Sanji has better baseline durability. That is to say that the minimum amount of damage required to harm Sanji is higher than Zoro. It is Sanji's most impressive stat.

Sanji can move faster than Zoro but he doesn't move so fast that Zoro cannot react to Sanji at all. He also doesn't move so fast that he will consistently be difficult to hit either. Proof of that is how Queen was still able to tag Sanji post awakening. Its only very seldom that Sanji perception blitzes and it's never been the deciding factor in any of his major fights ever. King was able to blitz Sanji (flame on) when he wore the raid suit. I think its safe to assume Zoro can react to Sanji.

Sanji's inner heat damage is interesting, but Zoro just fought someone with magma like flames. In one piece Magma > fire in DF terms. I think King's fire is hotter than Sanji's and Zoro cut through it. He also has Kinemon's flame cutting techniques and superior haki is Sanji.

Zoro for a second blocked what was possibly the most powerful attack we've seen in the verse. What's most impressive is that he was able to continue fighting afterward. Keep in mind that It took Big Mom zero effort to KO Sanji's toughest fight that pushed him to passing out. Zoro's endurance should be higher than Sanji.

I don't see how Sanji wins.

@enemybird: To extend and add to your points:

Sanji has better baseline durability. That is to say that the minimum amount of damage required to harm Sanji is higher than Zoro. It is Sanji's most impressive stat.

Zoro's superior CoA makes up for this difference in baseline durability; from a practical sense, there's no way of quantifying Sanji's baseline durability and inferior CoA as more difficult to overcome than Zoro's better armament. You've referenced Ocean Sovereignty, and there's also Zoro's CoA blocking King's self-detonation and Zoro's CoA piercing dragon Kaido's scales.

A poignant point in regards to Queen, Big Mom, or Sanji that nicely supplements your Ocean Sovereignty inclusion. As for my pertinent input, it's erroneous to claim Sanji is more skilled than Zoro. The Humandrill showing is better than any skill feat from Sanji, as Zoro, while nerfed from loss of blood, overcame dozens of copy-cat apes who mimicked his techniques. Moreover, Zoro mastered flying sword attacks, which are pragmatically rankyaku, a CP9 technique. In extension, the downplay of stealing Kin's foxfire style is egregious: to be able to copy an esoteric, complex technique by just observing it twice and mastering it to the degree of cancelling Yonko-level attacks is nothing short of genius. Lastly, Zoro mid-diffiing Lucci—someone whose Rokushiki proficiency is highlighted the most out of anyone in OP—is further evidence of his technical skill, so it's moot that he doesn't know other Six Powers techniques.

Zoro wins extreme diff. Right now they're really, really close imo. Sanji's stats are beyond ridiculous for his tier and while Zoro does more than make up for it with superior Haki, endurance, weaponry and skill, Sanji is not at a point right now where he'd be losing to Zoro high diff, especially if his healing factor is good enough to regenerate from smaller cuts.

@socajunkie:

Sanji, through kinaesthesia, knows himself better than you know him.

Exactly. That’s why he affirmed himself above Zoro after he had gotten KOH.

He hadn’t used nor developed IJ at that point, but he clearly had a general idea

No he didn’t lol. When Sanji activates IFJ he literally says, “The mystery is solved“, meaning he had point blank NO IDEA how strong he’d become if he used all his abilities together like that. He quite literally achieved a whole new level.

No amount of shameless Zoro agenda changes this fact.

Zoro wasn’t using his full power,

Neither was Sanji but it’s a significant amount of power that would be used in serious battles. It’s like saying Acoc G5 Luffy isn’t using full power because he didn’t use White Star Gun yet. Technically he didn’t, but it’s still a substantial amount of power only used against threats on his level or greater.

Asura is a more powerful form than IFJ.

I wasn’t talking IFJ. I was referring to Hell Memories. Sanji used IFJ once while he was fatigued and near death. He also used the weakest named kick in his arsenal to no-diff Queen. IFJ Hell Memories hasn’t been done yet. But it’s definitely hundreds of times more powerful than Beof Burst.

Reducing this argument to Sanji being faster, therefore he tags Zoro is lazy. King mainly tagged Zoro when the latter was getting his Haki sapped or fluctuated by Enma; once Zoro synergized with his blade, he had King on the back foot for the rest of the fight’s duration.

King is far slower than Sanji so not sure how this helps your case here.

King tagged Zoro with a kick, which Roronoa used the momentum for to supplement Bird Dance’s AP—an example of Zoro using his skill to use a flying opponent’s velocity against them.

Do you see the point and difference here? The point is King was fast enough to tag Zoro. Zoro being forced to use max CoO to keep up with his vanishing speed and react at the last second. Reminder, King isn’t even faster than Base Sanji.

While it is true King’s fodder S-Shark lvl kicks can be parried by Zoro. Egghead Sanji’s Non-Jambe Kicks alone can block Black Blades from Gorosei and shatter Kizaru’s beam. A kick from Sanji would knock Zoro’s sword out of his mouth or straight up break his collier bone from the impact.

What’s more, King’s collossal size makes him harder to dodge from close range, harder to manoeuvre around, and harder to counter-attack, respectively, than Sanji. Furthermore, he’s more versatile than the chef, meaning Zoro had to take more factors into account. This extends to Lucci too, who is larger than Sanji and possesses claws, therefore having a reach advantage, using all four of his limbs, thereby being less predictable than Sanji’s legs-only style. These patterns of attack were further enhanced by Rokushiki. In summary, saying Sanji’s speed means he definitively tags Zoro is rudimentary and doesn’t take into account other aspects of combat.

Huge disagree. Lucci may have more range than Sanji but he is not more unpredictable. In his fight, he performed just like anyone would expect the Kitty to perform. He cat scratched and finger poked the entire time. That shit is not more unpredictable than Sanji switching from collier shots to, to tendon shots, to leg shots, to body shots at high speeds while using skywalk in combat(Unlike Lucci).

Asura amped Zoro’s speed to the point where he blitzed Kaido.

And BASE Sanji blitzed Nusjuro mid-swing from a huge distance away while carrying Vegapunk. Same guy who scales to Jupiter who can blitz a serious G5 Luffy and Saturn who could react to a serious G5 Luffy.

Base Sanji being in that Kaido unamed attack tier of speed makes Zoro’s speed look very….very lackluster in comparison.

Zoro’s superior skill,

Like I said King and Lucci aren’t comparable to Sanji so these examples don’t help demonstrate better skill. If anything Sanji parrying a Black Blade wielder like Nusjuro shows he’ll have no problem dealing with Zoro‘s attacks and landing blows.

timing, and reach mean he isn’t getting kicked by Sanji frequently enough to make this extreme difference.

I think I proved it has.

This is further supported by Sanji being a much more predictable fighter than Lucci

The Kitty scratched and Poked at Zoro. He didn’t even change targets. Everything was a headshot lol. Very predictable.

or King,

King vomited Unquantifiable flame attacks that couldn’t hit Zoro once and was 2-shot. His other stuff, like that clown tier beak shot became irrelevant and so did his other nonsense that simply prolonged his life rather than give Zoro problems. Zoro can’t fly so that isn’t a testament to versatility.

given the cook’s limited repertoire and points of attack.

Sanji’s repertoire>>>>Kitty Cat pokes and King’s 100% miss rate flame shot

Help me understand what makes Sanji impressive for his tier of second commander level?

All good points.

@yray said:

I feel like people aren't aware by feats sanji is superior as of egghead arc

Sanji is more durable than zoro..This isn't really debatable..Sure zoro has more endurance but sanji has regeneration..so yea..sanji is overall more of a tank and harder to put down.

Sanji is also quite frankly alot faster than zoro by feats and more agile in a fight due to superior coO and flight.

Now as for A.P zoro had always dominated this category for a while untill sanjis recent feats people tend to overlook.

A vegapunk panicking and scared at the thought of a seraphim getting hit by a laser ..he even says they're not ready to take one yet

G4+hybrid lucci+zoro+ kaku raining barrages of attacks on seraphims

Their attacks are not able to deal any significant damage or put them down and we see another vegapunk there not even panicking at watching the seraphims taking the beat down from the squad

So lasers>> g4+lucci+zoro+kaku barrage of attacks in AP (which I find absurd but it is what it is 🤷🏽)

Then we have sanji destroying &blocking one with a kick

Then there's zoro who says he can't block attacks that are like lasers..

Point is sanji is at least comparable to zoro in Ap if not higher based on the feats posted

And like I Said above at first sanji is superior in the other categories as well ..hence why sanji would high diff by feats

Good points

Queen is YC2 and got thrashed by Sanji once he had his genes activated. Since Sanji had a great deal of fighting going on before his genes activated, he ended up majorly fatigues and whatnot, but everything suggests that if Sanji started off a fair fight against Queen with his genes activated, Sanji would win with ease.

This is the official translation; here's the TCB Scans translation. In either translation he states that he is not the same person Queen was fighting earlier, which was demonstrated when Queen basically couldn't hurt him anymore at first, and immediately after the above scans, Sanji moved faster than Queen could see for an extended period of time and beat him unconscious off of Onigashima in moments:

Gallery

Yeah, Sanji’s laser destroying feat definitely puts him hitting harder than Zoro’s Non-ACoC attacks. Forgot about the Seraphim stuff

OT: Zoro extreme-diff.

It’s always ranged from high - extreme diff. Oda has been really pushing the “Wings of the Pirate King” agenda in the manga and and other forms of supplementary media Wano and Post-Wano, and with how firstly impressive Sanji has been in Egghead - I’m inclined to say it’s an extreme diff fight for Zoro.

One Piece is one of the minority mangas where potrayal can matter more than feats in a battledome setting

Zoro extreme

By feats Sanji but narrative wise zoro

@cocacolaman:

Queen

The reason why I'll still find it questionable as to whether Sanji would have "easily" won is because Sanji passed out after their fight. You can pretend like is only due to the damage he took before awakening but that's just unconfirmed headcanon. He took damage from Queen post awakening too.

Queen fought a 2v1 against Marco prior to their fight so it's not like Queen was fresh either. He toyed around with monster chopper too who hit him hard enough to cause bleeding. There is a chance he may have simply outlasted Sanji if he hadn't fought Marco and didnt keep taking avoidable damage from so many people (including Sanji) prior.

Would Sanji still defeat queen if both were fresh? Most likely, yes. But it would still be a high diff fight for Sanji at least all things considered.

The Laser

Sanji destroying the laser is the most overhyped feat I've seen from the Sanji camp. Kizaru's lasers have been in the story since what thriller bark? Many of the straw hats were hit directly with Kizaru's lasers pre time skip while escaping the pacifista and it wasn't enough to knock them out. Sanji kicks and destroys one and all of a sudden he's yonko level. I am sick of it. Are Kizaru's lasers still dangerous? Yes. is destroying one going to make you top tier? no.

You didn't mention this, but I know how edison reacted to s-shark almost getting hit by a laser but you have to keep in mind that vegapunk is still testing the seraphim and he said they weren't ready for the laser test yet. That has nothing to do with Sanji. Sanji even kicks S-shark and he is unaffected so the laser having an effect has nothing to do with Sanji nor does it scale to him.

Conclusion

For me to be impressed with Sanji he has to fight and defeat someone. These little chippy block and ripostes that he keeps doing on egghead aren't enough for me. Kidd blocked Big Mom, Jinbei blocked big mom but neither are ultimately a match for her at all. on top of that we just saw ALL the straw hats block or dodge Saturn's attacks. None of them are on his level so clearly, we need to see more. Until that happens, Sanji is still slightly higher than Queen but below all the 1st commanders.

Zoro high diff, always has been and always will be.

Pre time skip it was high. Post time skip it's been low.

Yup. The story has made this very clear. It might be fairly hard to understand for the few who aren’t onboard with the story and narrative Oda is pushing lol.

Zoro high-extreme diff.

@nassergrant19:

That isn’t a valid or accurate statement for your argument: he was heated, therefore not thinking clearly, and triggered because of Zoro’s taunting. The Queen statement is more accurate because Sanji was in a calm state of mind.

He did. The proof of this was him dominating Queen after mentally letting go; thus, his assertion beforehand was proven correct. The mystery hypothesis was in regards to precisely how powerful he’d become and how he’d amplify his techniques: his exoskeleton and CoA enabling hotter flames.

Asura has been consistently used as a finisher/last resort attack, which he won’t need against Sanji because of the latter’s poor stamina and endurance, which I’ll expand upon at the conclusion of this post. As for the rest, I agree on your Luffy analogy in general, but specifically for Zoro, it doesn’t hold as much weight given the swordsman has shown expert Haki management in the Lucci fight, using ACoA/CoA for a prolonged period, utilising his skill supplemented by his gargantuan stamina to win via attrition. Conversely, Sanji cannot employ the same tactic because of his limited stamina, which is further diminished when he increases his speed.

Are you also taking Queen being fatigued and injured too, as they both admit? It’s subtle overhyping Sanji to say he no-diffed Queen. You also can’t definitively give a quantitative number to the amp of a technique that hasn’t been used yet; it doesn’t exist, so for the context of being used against Zoro here, it is head-canon. Furthermore, this comparative argument doesn’t work in your favour given King is above Queen in all stats across the board via feats and inference from Queen’s statement, hyping King’s godly race, thus Zoro’s scaling is more favourable. The versatility offered by Germa Tech isn’t enough for parity due to the Beast Pirates being a meritocracy. Expansively, while it’s accurate to say Sanji was fatigued and near death, Zoro was in a much worse state because he saw the Grim Reaper after defeating King in gross ACoC expenditure.

No flame King's amped speed was portrayed as relative to Zoro's speed, slightly faster to a comparative degree than Sanji’s average speed. You’ve dismissed King’s versatility, which Zoro had to take into account, a factor irrelevant to Sanji. King is larger, making him harder to dodge and more versatile and unpredictable. The latter three categories, respectively, make up for Sanji’s superior speed, in my opinion. Self-detonation, wing expansion, ranged attacks, sword shapeshifting, Lunarian durability/speed trade, pyrokinesis, and more all definitively prove Zoro had to account for more factors than against Sanji.

That being said, King and Queen minute comparisons are ultimately red herrings for us both as opposed to general hierarchal statements: when Zoro and Sanji fight, they have comparable combat speed, and Zoro has shown the adaptability to overcome faster speeds, as well as the stamina to overcome the performance (speed) draining fatigue that comes from Sanji amping swiftness.

You’ve continued to degrade this part of your argument to Sanji faster=Sanji better than King, whilst failing to address King’s full skill set. Once again, what’s most relevant here is Zoro canonically matching Sanji when they fight and showing the adaptivity and skill to handle his opponent’s speed amps.

A weaker Zoro, only using CoA, momentarily blocked Ocean Sovereignty. Factor in his Haki bloom + ACoC force push ability, and this more than makes up for Sanji’s Egghead feats, the last ability additively because it’s an application of the most powerful ability seen thus far in the verse. Speaking of which, ACoC exponentially increases attack potency; there was no indication Venus used that on his blade.

Most of Lucci’s fight with Zoro was off-panel, so limiting him to just what we can read is erroneous. The anime will fill in the minutiae of the bout; however, context clues like Lucci’s aggressive state of mind, Rokushiki, and mission, respectively, can be reasonably speculated on: he likely used more of his arsenal given the consistency with which he utilised the full extent of his abilities in almost every martial appearance. What’s more, Lucci disarmed Zoro, proving he wasn’t just mindlessly head-hunting the entire time, as you’ve contemptuously implied.

Sanji only uses his legs; Zoro knows this. Sanji’s points of attack will only come from two limbs—Zoro knows this. Zoro’s greater range worsens Sanji’s predictability, given that his weapon’s length will mainly take the brunt of Sanji’s kicks, not Zoro’s body. Moreover, Zoro’s skill bolsters his aforementioned advantages.

He caught Venus off-guard; the Elder wasn’t paying attention to him, as evidenced by his thinking about O-Hara, so referring to it as a blitz isn’t accurate. The distance and Vegapunk factor are impressive, but when Zoro and Sanji fought Post-Wano, their combat speed was comparable. Lastly, Sanji kicked the side of Venus’ blade, not the edge, so you cannot scale that deflection in any relevant way against Zoro’s AP.

Zoro’s speed isn’t lacklustre given the blitz he performed on Kaido while the swordsman’s bones were broken throughout his skeleton and prior to his Haki bloom and stat increase post-Wano, which you’ve conveniently omitted. When Zoro and Sanji fought post-Wano, their combat speed was comparable, and Zoro adapted to his opponent’s amping their base speed.

I’m certain I’ve adeptly dissected your first clause, even though the manga was tacit from my perspective. Nusjuro wasn’t using ACoC, the most potent amp in the verse, and wasn’t paying attention to Sanji when the latter blindsided him, so that argument falls flat, considering Sanji will be fighting Zoro head-on and Zoro’s far superior armament Haki, and ACoC defensive boosts to himself and his swords lessen the effectiveness of Sanji’s kicks.

I think I proved otherwise.

He disarmed Zoro, so this is false. I’ve addressed Lucci in more depth earlier in this post, so I’ll wait for you to target that.

Zoro used ACoC to overcome King’s flames; therefore, Roronoa used a higher-tier ability to counteract that inferno as opposed to Kaido’s Boro-Breath, which was CoA + Flame Rend. So while numerically unquantifiable, contextually, and implicatively, it’s fine, IMO. He was two-shot because of the gargantuan boost ACoC gave Zoro. Zoro, not being able to fly yet, is able to skillfully counter those who are is impressive, as he’s overcoming his lack of mobility with skill. King’s ability to fly factually makes him more versatile when combined with his wind scythe attacks—ranged attacks that Sanji doesn’t have that Zoro had to account for.

I addressed your first clause and the blatant appeal to ridicule fallacy, and lowballing.

Stamina is the most crucial stat that makes this a Zoro high and not an extreme diff win. Between peers in OP, an uninterrupted fight continues for over a week, max. Aokiji vs. Akainu, Ace vs. Jinbei, Garp and Sengoku vs. Shiki, etc. Sanji’s lack of stamina relative to Zoro is evidenced by the former’s shorter fights; cardio, evidenced by his smoking habit, accumulatively leads towards his kicks progressively losing power; speed slowing down results in a high diff, further emphasised by Zoro’s superior Haki potency and control. Haki is the most powerful, game-changing ability in the verse thus far.