Blue Marvel vs Captain Marvel

• 616
• Current versions
• Who wins and why

I vote for BM. Even though CM has gotten more powerful recently and has a lot of Feat, she's nowhere near BM In Ewing's writing, I expect Wong's writing to tell the story of a powerful Entity. It's too much for Strange and Clea to stop. Hopefully CM will have an epic feat like Wong said :)

Blue marvel but I'm just saying that because of what the dude above me said

Marvel win

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How I vote on this site 90% of the time

Blue Marvel sucks, it's amazing how people still think he's good based on vague feats. No one who gets one-shot by Doctor Doom should be doing anything to high tiers on a consistent basis.

@professorrespect: blue marvel one shot hulk

...but he didn't? That was a alt-verse Hulk with maybe 1/10 of the feats even Savage Hulk has.

That feat has been around for 8+ years I'm amazed people still don't get the context of it lol

Carol

The Captain Marvel FTW=)

Am going with blue marvel for holding group of powerhouse of avengers and for beating king hyperion is more eoungh to beat carol.Althou carolin civil II amazed me for hurting thanos and beating hammerless thor with easy.

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Blue Marvel murders

Beating a crappy version of Hyperion is supposed to be impressive?

Blue Marvel for the Win.

-I don't see Carol putting down Adam.

Currently, Blue Marvel beats Carol handily. This might change if the current writer Alyssa Wong changes Carol's spot in the Superhero power hierarchy. Because in the new run shows Carol fighting the new threat: The Omen who's connected to an "Omniversal" entity: The Undone. So we could see Carol having crazy good feats in the new run. However, I just want to see if she would delve deeper into the versatility of Carol's powers.

Wow still no proof as to why Adam can't get put down despite Doom one-shotting him and whatnot etc. Doesn't seem like there's much of a argument

Didn't he struggle with Silver Sable as well.

BM recently held back Thanos. Don't know if it's impressive or not but that comic is so badly written that even if it was i'd still give it to CM.

Correct

Current Thanos is weakened pretty sure given they were throwing Hulk at him

I see the blue marvel down play is still here. And it's the same people....(definitely not a agenda)

Anyways most of what was stated about bm was already debunked before. And Adam has some good feats against in Ewing recent run, like destroying (a?) Beyonder physical form or tanking attacks from from a Phoenix host.

I could see Adam taking this because of he's higher intelligence and versatility.

@jimohkolawol10: King Hyperion isn't impressive at all. I have no idea why almost losing to him is supposed to be the game-breaking feat here. Are we assuming as such here?

So Marvel punching Thanos is supposed to be more impressive!?. KH did beat Two hyperions. BM was compared to Hulk punch and once Koed Hulk.

And yes, I think Marvel hurting someone who bullies herald-tiers is a lot more impressive than almost losing to the worst version of Hyperion ever, correct.

I count most of this PIS

It's not a counter-argument to just say "PIS" to everything you don't like, especially when King Hyperion is one of your main sources for scaling Blue Marvel here under a presumption that he's impressive. If you want to disprove me you need, you know, quantifiable proof, not just repeating yourself ad-nauseam.

....he didn't though. Did you read that issue of Exiles or are you assuming he did? They had to beg the pair not to kill him in the end.

I did beating them

Again, he didn't beat the pair at all? Other way around, actually. If you want to show him defeating the pair then that's fine but we clearly see who won out of the pair. One of the Hyperion's even testified under oath that they defeated him.

Why are you copy and pasting baseless assumptions

Do you have anything to support this claim

The fact that someone else already said he "one shot Hulk"? It's the same exact baseless claim. You can surely read the comments above. Maybe they and you just magically came to the same wrong conclusion? That's also possible.

I already debunked above?

I dont know why your assumptions

He was a alt-verse Hulk? If you say I'm assuming as such then you can either prove it was 616 Hulk or don't make the assumption yourself lol.

He "koed" a alt-verse Hulk with none of the feats that make regular Savage Hulk impressive in the first place. How that's impressive I'm not exactly sure.

Said by Namor

I couldn't really care less about a hyperbolic, especially when it has nothing backing it. Considering Namor also lost to Doom while Marvel couldn't beat him seems pretty conclusive to his actual power level rather than using non-existent feats.

He can be compared to whatever they want, he still got one-shot by Doctor Doom and bullied by Sliver Sable. No way is he worth talking about here compared to Marvel.

Marvel is scared of Thor

She still fought him conclusively to a victory if you'd recall? Why that matters to Marvel getting beaten up by a street tier or defeated by Doom without much effort I'm not sure. Maybe more assumptions?

And yes, I think Marvel hurting someone who bullies herald-tiers is a lot more impressive than almost losing to the worst version of Hyperion ever, correct.

It's not a counter-argument to just say "PIS" to everything you don't like, especially when King Hyperion is one of your main sources for scaling Blue Marvel here under a presumption that he's impressive. If you want to disprove me you need, you know, quantifiable proof, not just repeating yourself ad-nauseam.

Never said I don't like Thanos just know for a fact he and Batman has strongest Plot armour

...ok? What relevance does this have in relation to the topic of Blue Marvel winning here?

and King hyperion is not my main source either just the better one

You say this yet don't show anything to prove any of your claims unlike myself. I can't really do a whole lot with that, so I'll just move on until we see something that can be quantified reliably.

Again, he didn't beat the pair at all? Other way around, actually. If you want to show him defeating the pair then that's fine but we clearly see who won out of the pair. One of the Hyperion's even testified under oath that they defeated him.

He was beating them

Again, no he wasn't. He landed hits on them, but he lost ultimately. How that is worth anything I'm not sure. Spider-Man's landed hits on the Hulk, I'd never say he was "beating" him though.

The fact that someone else already said he "one shot Hulk"? It's the same exact baseless claim.

My name is not someone else

Semantics. I just stated that you made the same claim. It's as wrong, of course. I never said you were the same person so whatever strawman that is can be very easily brushed off.

You can surely read the comments above.

Surely didn't

Good to know.

Maybe they and you just magically came to the same wrong conclusion? That's also possible

It's "Maybe"

Oh so you and them were both wrong at the same time? That's fine.

He was a alt-verse Hulk? If you say I'm assuming as such then you can either prove it was 616 Hulk or don't make the assumption yourself lol.

I don't need to prove it for you

That's not an argument.

not either 616 or not Still Hulk

Right, but there are different Hulks with different levels of power. Saying he "one-shot" Hulk is misleading because you'd presume you were talking about 616 given it's the most popular version. How does Ultimate Hulk compare to 616 Captain Marvel, exactly?

I couldn't really care less about a hyperbolic, especially when it has nothing backing it. Considering Namor also lost to Doom while Marvel couldn't beat him seems pretty conclusive to his actual power level rather than using non-existent feats.

Why should I care about a assumptions

Again, not an argument.

ignore writer's intent

You've ignored numerous showings already that are a lot more quantifiable than a random hyperbolic with no on-panel backing behind it. I'm not really sure what the point is there.

She still fought him conclusively to a victory if you'd recall? Why that matters to Marvel getting beaten up by a street tier or defeated by Doom without much effort I'm not sure. Maybe more assumptions?

She fought unworthy Thor to victory

Thor wasn't unworthy? He had his enchantments and hammer at the time of publication. More assumptions it is then.

WIS

Simply stating "PIS" isn't an argument without evidence to back it up to suggest that's correct. If this is the quality of retorts then I'm not really sure if there's much of a case worth discussing here.

Carol should honestly win even based on the recent portrayal that shows Undone afraid of her.

I don't wish to continue this anymore. I choose BM for my reasons and you choose yours.

@jimohkolawol10: cool

Yeah.

SolarPowered already debunked this in the invincible duo thread. And current feats (like destroying a beyonders body/fighting a Phoenix host) could put him above carol.

Cm might be more stronger (physically). But Bm is smarter and has a lot of versatility, he could outsmart her and think of a plan to defeat her (while defending himself).

More versatile based on what?

He said "Lot versatility " not more versatility.

How's that "lot of versatility" going to help against Carol

Carol

@purplehairedni1: His versatility could give him a edge in a fight. He could also use force fields to block her energy or restrain her (not for long tho).

If he could hold her off for some time. He could possibly tap into one of his more esoteric abilities to defeat her.

Carol is a energy absorber... So trapping her in a force field is useless. Not to mention we have already seen that if she gets hit by BM's energy she instantly turns into Binary a being that would absolutely destroy BM.

@purplehairedni1: I know she can absorb energy, that's why I said "not for long".

Adam is smart. Im sure he wouldn't just hit her with energy. And he does has abilities that could pull him a win, like matter manipulation or anti-matter manipulation.

Also I wouldn't say binary stomps. Bm has had some pretty cool feats recently. He could probably give her a good fight in binary mode.

What are these new feats that makes him so impressive....

Because an entity called the undone is literally scared of Carol. Not to mention her numerous fights with Thor, Genis Vell and many more characters that is above BM. You're forgetting that Binary is a being capable of performing feats like these

• Powers fuel cells that need the energy of a star
• Sets off a chain reaction that's able put enough pressure on a planet causing it to explode minutes later
• She's able to power the "stargate" a device capable of instantaneously bridging the gulf between star systems and in this case galaxies
• She's able to summon a white hole in order to absorb anti matter in the sun something Quasar couldn't do as his attempts failed
• Reconnects with a local white hole to activate her Binary form and then manges to negate the mass of the Phoenix and absorb it into her body. Although while trying to channel it into a nearby portal made by Thor it overwhelms her and knocks her out
• She's able to physically fend off both Skar and Codabac beings that are capable of fighting Black Bolt and Ikaris on equal footing
• Destroyes several Punishers that Blue Marvel was unable to fight

You keep to referring to him being smart.... His intelligence didn't help him against Luke Cage, Dr Doom and Silver Sable. He also rarely uses matter manipulation in fights so that's practically useless. Just to be clear Carol doesn't particularly need to Binary to deal with Blue Marvel since i have legitimately not seen a single feat to suggest he's more powerful than her base form.

@purplehairedni1: IIrc recently blue marvel has destroyed a beyonder's physical form and fought a host of a Phoenix (correct me if I'm wrong tho).

He's also physical within the weight class as thor and hulk, He's beaten king hyperion and anti matter man. And has knocked sentry in orbit while fighting multiple avengers etc... So she doesn't just stomp him physically.

As for her being a more powerful energy projector, might be debatable. He's matched people like king hyperion eye beams, he amped monica to a level where she could defeat a tiny shadow of shuma-gorath He's feats in the defender's issues, etc...

And lastly Adam literally does use matter manipulation all the time (it's how he use anti matter energy without mass destruction), he also used it to manipulate Monica's photons. And he just recently used anti matter manipulation to destroy a beyonders body, he could literally do the same to her (since she has no resistance to anti matter).