Peter could lose some rounds in character due to his personality but he’d still win a comfortable majority at this point, he murders her every time in this scenario.
I was initially going to say Azula but the more I though about it, the more Peter seemed like the sure victor.
With morals off (which side note is basically in character azula lol) Azula would obviously start off with lightning, but honestly I don't think those bolts have the potency to kill him in one go. Even amped by sozins comet a peak human like Zuko survived after being hit by them (admittedly he did need immediate aid afterwards, but still) Especially in the iron spider armor which would undoubtedly be more than durable enough to tank such attacks, and could theoretically even use the electrical charge to amp the suit similar to how other models of stark tech armor get amped by lightning.
Parker has the agility and precognition to just dodge the attacks before they are launched and follow it up with instant kill mode or whatever it was called.
Can we stop acting like avatar characters aren’t superhuman they survive things no human can and have crazy reaction speed plus strength feats. No more of this peak human talk
Azula would likely win without Sozin's Comet; she definitely wins with Sozin's Comet
How? Unless you're arguing Peter would be caught off guard by the fact she can shoot fire from her hands I don't see how she can ever come close to tagging him when he's out of character here. Obviously it's well known but for posterity here it is again;
...he dodges a hallway full of gunfire with his eyes closed, making him faster than any bender by an order of magnitude besides hilarious outliers.
@buildhare: Okay, now let’s see him dodge building-sized blasts of fire and lightning
^^^Building sized blasts of fire, along with missiles and gunfire.^^^^
I don’t know much about Avatar outside of watching both shows.. do we call the lightning blasts IRL lightning speed?... I’d suspect that a 1000 drones targeting Spider-Man with Sonics, missiles, flamethrower, and machine gun fire is about on the level.
@death4bunnies: None of those flames had the size and potency that a Comet-amped Azula’s fire has....and Spider-Man still managed to catch fire lol.
Dodging missiles and bullets, no matter how many, does not mean he could dodge lightning, which is hundreds of times faster than the speed of sound. Azula’s Comet-amped lightning was also much larger and more powerful than her regular lightning.
@death4bunnies: None of those flames had the size and potency that a Comet-amped Azula’s fire has....and Spider-Man still managed to catch fire lol.
Dodging missiles and bullets, no matter how many, does not mean he could dodge lightning, which is hundreds of times faster than the speed of sound. Azula’s Comet-amped lightning was also much larger and more powerful than her regular lightning.
Id like to see the size and potency I guess, the missiles were decent, and ye he caught fire when hit with a flame thrower(tends to cover you in flammable liquids) and he was pretty ok...and he got out of the fire, is there a reason to think Azulas fire is faster than the flame-thrower feat I showed?
So are we calling this Avatar lighting the same speed of IRL lighting, I think I asked that...I usually dont call energy attacks the speed of the element used unless its kinda explicitly that fast.
Anyways, because this is only one shooter, and precognition allows him to react before the shot s fire I think its fair to say that he could avoid the lighting in a kinda spider sense type aim dodge even if hes not as fast as the lighting bolt after its fired(which im still not convinced of because its not really comparable to IRL lightning to my knowledge)
For example, I generally dont rate Starlordss electric blast from his gun as the speed of lightning or electricity.
Is there a reason why we should consider Azulas attack anymore lighting speed then we consider Starlords attack?
@geekryan:I'd contest lightning-bending being as fast as cloud to ground lightning, but even ignoring that, it has a fairly obvious build-up.
In regards to the match itself, I think it's a fairly even match.
Azula is fairly superhuman, but Peter still has a considerable stats advantage in all categories, with great mobility, gear and precognition. But tough as he is, Peter doesn't want to take her blasts, though his suit is somewhat resistant to heat, he's not entirely immune (seeing as he still chose to put out the fire, via the water). The concussive force behind Azula's bigger blasts will definitely hurt regardless, and if he is hit by the lightning, it'll kill him.
I could see this swinging either way. Might lean towards Peter as of FFH.
@death4bunnies: None of those flames had the size and potency that a Comet-amped Azula’s fire has....and Spider-Man still managed to catch fire lol.
Dodging missiles and bullets, no matter how many, does not mean he could dodge lightning, which is hundreds of times faster than the speed of sound. Azula’s Comet-amped lightning was also much larger and more powerful than her regular lightning.
Id like to see the size and potency I guess, the missiles were decent, and ye he caught fire when hit with a flame thrower(tends to cover you in flammable liquids) and he was pretty ok...and he got out of the fire, is there a reason to think Azulas fire is faster than the flame-thrower feat I showed?
So are we calling this Avatar lighting the same speed of IRL lighting, I think I asked that...I usually dont call energy attacks the speed of the element used unless its kinda explicitly that fast.
Anyways, because this is only one shooter, and precognition allows him to react before the shot s fire I think its fair to say that he could avoid the lighting in a kinda spider sense type aim dodge even if hes not as fast as the lighting bolt after its fired(which im still not convinced of because its not really comparable to IRL lightning to my knowledge)
For example, I generally dont rate Starlordss electric blast from his gun as the speed of lightning or electricity.
Is there a reason why we should consider Azulas attack anymore lighting speed then we consider Starlords attack?
I wouldn't say he was "okay", he was obviously bothered by it and needed to douse himself into the water to put the fire out. You can even hear his relief after the fire gets put out.
1) Evaporates Katata's large water wave and then busts through Aang's thick earth wall
2) Again, breaks through Aang's earth wall with a slightly charged attack
3) Her fire blast causes a massive explosion
4) Slices through a building
In terms of lightning:
1) Her redirected lightning destroys a chunk from a cliffside
2) Blasts a hole through Toph's earth wall, which looks to be at least a meter thick
Although Azula usually needs to charge her lightning, she has been able to release instant lightning, but it's less potent. Comet Azula's lightning was much faster and stronger:
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There's debate about how fast lightningbending is in the Avatar verse, but, here's some pretty solid evidence of it being as fast as natural/real lightning:
Iroh reacts to natural lightning and redirects it.
I don't see Spider-Man being able to dodge fire blasts that are as large and potent as Azula's while not amped, let alone with the Comet amp. He could aim dodge her lightning, but again, her blasts are quite large.
Imma be honest, I don’t see anything in the fire section much better than the flamethrower.. let alone the flamethrower and missiles and gunfire, the flamethrowers alone are pretty comparable, when I look at spiderman dodge the flamethrowers, Sonics, missiles, and bullets it doesn’t seem like just a flamethrower could do it.
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The size of the fire doesn’t seem much better than the flame throwers or the explosions he escaped from... both about small building sized, and I don’t see the fire being more potent in the gifs you provided.
I think Spiderman could avoid and even tank a few blasts.(I think he was pretty OK with the fire and close proximity explosions.. they caused minor discomfort or minor harm but I don’t think it affected his ability to fight)
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Ye I remember that Iroh feat, kinda unclear if he’s timing lightning or calling it to himself but it does definitely seem like lightning speed.(and he’s a step above Azula anyways right?)
I’m kinda on the fence about if avatar lightning attacks are irl lightning speed but either way it’s heavily telegraphed and with precog should be something Spider-Man can dodge.
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I still lean Spider-Man, I could see Azula taking some wins here and there, but pre cog and imo a speed advantage, and the ability to tank some fire blasts kinda puts this fight in Spider-Mans favor.
(And I now definitely think he wins round 1, those unamped fire blasts do not seem impressive at all).
Azulas only real wins come from a lucky lightning attack (lucky because of precog and the way she moves her hands to Telegraph her attack), fire doesn’t seem faster or more potent than 1000 murder drones.
Spider-Man’s wins come from any kinda CQC, and also taser webs, or impact webs, or web bombs, or web nets.
Imma be honest, I don’t see anything in the fire section much better than the flamethrower.. let alone the flamethrower and missiles and gunfire, the flamethrowers alone are pretty comparable, when I look at spiderman dodge the flamethrowers, Sonics, missiles, and bullets it doesn’t seem like just a flamethrower could do it.
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The size of the fire doesn’t seem much better than the flame throwers or the explosions he escaped from... both about small building sized, and I don’t see the fire being more potent in the gifs you provided.
I think Spiderman could avoid and even tank a few blasts.(I think he was pretty OK with the fire and close proximity explosions.. they caused minor discomfort or minor harm but I don’t think it affected his ability to fight)
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Ye I remember that Iroh feat, kinda unclear if he’s timing lightning or calling it to himself but it does definitely seem like lightning speed.(and he’s a step above Azula anyways right?)
I’m kinda on the fence about if avatar lightning attacks are irl lightning speed but either way it’s heavily telegraphed and with precog should be something Spider-Man can dodge.
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I still lean Spider-Man, I could see Azula taking some wins here and there, but pre cog and imo a speed advantage, and the ability to tank some fire blasts kinda puts this fight in Spider-Mans favor.
(And I now definitely think he wins round 1, those unamped fire blasts do not seem impressive at all).
Azulas only real wins come from a lucky lightning attack (lucky because of precog and the way she moves her hands to Telegraph her attack), fire doesn’t seem faster or more potent than 1000 murder drones.
Spider-Man’s wins come from any kinda CQC, and also taser webs, or impact webs, or web bombs, or web nets.
1) You're kidding, right? How does a random flamethrower with like one feat compare to Azula's firebending, whose attacks can be building-sized even without the Comet amp?
Keep in mind that Spider-Man got tagged by a much smaller flame blast, and that's the only feat said flamethrower has AFAIK.
Her fire blasts tore through Aang's earth wall on two occasions:
The impact also sent Aang flying several meters back, into the wall, and he was KO'd.Evaporates Katara's wall of water, and then a casual attack busts through Aang's earth wall. Again, the impact was strong enough to push him and Katara back.
You keep bringing up bullets and missiles, but those are small projectiles and not comparable to the raw size and power of flames that Spider-Man would have to dodge against Azula.
We see Spider-Man get tagged by a much smaller flame with no potency feats, and it looks like he got tagged by the missile's explosion as he was jumping off the structure.
The flamethrower is nowhere near small building size, and it has zero potency. The missile is a different story, but it's still a projectile and not the same as a stream of fire.
You haven't provided any feats to suggest that Peter could tank one of Azula's fire blasts, or even survive in her stream.
Iroh didn't summon the lightning, he reacted to it and redirected it. By feats, Azula is above Iroh.
The Comet-amped lightning is pretty instant and not as telegraphed.
Look at the feat again:
Here's a frame of how big the explosion was:
Here she literally slices through a building's corner twice:
Imma be honest, I don’t see anything in the fire section much better than the flamethrower.. let alone the flamethrower and missiles and gunfire, the flamethrowers alone are pretty comparable, when I look at spiderman dodge the flamethrowers, Sonics, missiles, and bullets it doesn’t seem like just a flamethrower could do it.
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The size of the fire doesn’t seem much better than the flame throwers or the explosions he escaped from... both about small building sized, and I don’t see the fire being more potent in the gifs you provided.
I think Spiderman could avoid and even tank a few blasts.(I think he was pretty OK with the fire and close proximity explosions.. they caused minor discomfort or minor harm but I don’t think it affected his ability to fight)
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Ye I remember that Iroh feat, kinda unclear if he’s timing lightning or calling it to himself but it does definitely seem like lightning speed.(and he’s a step above Azula anyways right?)
I’m kinda on the fence about if avatar lightning attacks are irl lightning speed but either way it’s heavily telegraphed and with precog should be something Spider-Man can dodge.
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I still lean Spider-Man, I could see Azula taking some wins here and there, but pre cog and imo a speed advantage, and the ability to tank some fire blasts kinda puts this fight in Spider-Mans favor.
(And I now definitely think he wins round 1, those unamped fire blasts do not seem impressive at all).
Azulas only real wins come from a lucky lightning attack (lucky because of precog and the way she moves her hands to Telegraph her attack), fire doesn’t seem faster or more potent than 1000 murder drones.
Spider-Man’s wins come from any kinda CQC, and also taser webs, or impact webs, or web bombs, or web nets.
1) You're kidding, right? How does a random flamethrower with like one feat compare to Azula's firebending, whose attacks can be building-sized even without the Comet amp?
Keep in mind that Spider-Man got tagged by a much smaller flame blast, and that's the only feat said flamethrower has AFAIK.
Her fire blasts tore through Aang's earth wall on two occasions:
The impact also sent Aang flying several meters back, into the wall, and he was KO'd.Evaporates Katara's wall of water, and then a casual attack busts through Aang's earth wall. Again, the impact was strong enough to push him and Katara back.
You keep bringing up bullets and missiles, but those are small projectiles and not comparable to the raw size and power of flames that Spider-Man would have to dodge against Azula.
We see Spider-Man get tagged by a much smaller flame with no potency feats, and it looks like he got tagged by the missile's explosion as he was jumping off the structure.
The flamethrower is nowhere near small building size, and it has zero potency. The missile is a different story, but it's still a projectile and not the same as a stream of fire.
You haven't provided any feats to suggest that Peter could tank one of Azula's fire blasts, or even survive in her stream.
Here's a frame of how big the explosion was:
Here she literally slices through a building's corner twice:
I could see Spider-Man winning R1, but I don't think he would take a majority. As for R2 with the Comet, he doesn't stand a chance.
OK… I think Id accept avatar lightning being lightning speed, especially with iroh, I think Spidey could still dodge with precog, but I accept the lightning speed lightning.
So you think Spiderman got tagged by a missile but Azula is gonna oneshot with her rock wall feat...those rocks were kinda stacked and that missile blew up masonry (and 3 blow up a stark jet)
Best I saw for the size of the fire was small building sized with the comet.
I keep bringing up missiles and sonics, and bullets in addition to the flame throwers because he was dodging them all....seems like a flame thrower alone from a single shooter would be a fair amount easier to dodge then a 1000 drones, and like I said it doesnt seem to have the capacity to significantly harm him(I pointed out in my previous post that he not only took the flames but close proximity explosions, so I was relating both)
You say I haven't provided feats to say Spiderman can tank the loose rock wall busting fire when you your self say it looks like he was hit by the missile that busted masonry(I think it was just close proximity, he took a bunch of close proximity blasts)
Here is the still frame you provided of the size of Azulas blast next to a still frame of Spiderman's explosion...seems about on the same level....tho I rate busting mortared masonry above busting stacked rocks.
Building slice is neat, still under the level of the explosions and flame throwers I think.
Spidermans webs are near bullet speed...so I dont know why youd claim subsonic.
I have four more instances of this ^ from the final FFH fight.
I could see her dodging some strait webs, but with the addition of grenades, and nets and ricochets along with his silly accuracy and agility Id think he'd tag her before she tagged him, and I think he'd tank better.
I think Spiderman for sure wins round one, and based off what ive seen here takes round 2 also.
Azula slaughters with sozins comet, and she'd still win a convincing 8-9/10 majority without it. I like how someone showed the feat of spidey webbing away from the misseles, yet was still tagged and set aflame. What is this supposed to prove?
I came into this thread ready to say Peter clowns on Azula but after seeing some of the arguments presented in her favor I'm actually pretty torn. It really has been too long since I've seen ATLA, I completely forgot some of the crazy shit the characters are capable of despite only being "peak humans"
Lots of arguments here seem to be so focused on tanking, seemingly forgetting who this is she's fighting. Spidey will dodge everything thrown at him with little difficulty.
R1:Spidey dominates her in literally every stat: Strength, Speed, Agility, and equipment. He dodges the blasts when in range and webs her up (including her mouth when she starts spitting fire at him).
R2: Nothing in the avatar verse can pierce Mk 50 Stark nano-tech. A blast of lightning from Thor in the first Avengers Assemble (which was beyond anything Azula has ever done) was absorbed and redirected by the Mark VII Iron Man Suit, which is fantastically inferior to the Mk50 and Iron Spider which are built of the same stuff.
@minecraftmaster11: don't get me wrong, this is a stomp by spidey. But the characters of Avatar are well beyond 'peak human'. And what can be accomplished with training and mentorship much greater
- Teenagers and and adults pelted with massive rocks that would pulverize any standard human, often able to break them with sheer physical force, just look at what Azula was doing to those rocks being hurled at her, put any standard 15 year old female gymnast/martial artist in that situation.
- Teenage Girls able to not just hold their own against but dominate waves of fodder opponents.
-Vertical leaps from non-benders that go meters into the air.
@vengefulshot: even if he cant dodge it he definitely tanks it with the iron spider, also it's "morals off, winner by any means" so the iron spiders insta killmode + him not holding back like how he was against goblin in nwh he takes it pretty easy
Lots of arguments here seem to be so focused on tanking, seemingly forgetting who this is she's fighting. Spidey will dodge everything thrown at him with little difficulty.
R1:Spidey dominates her in literally every stat: Strength, Speed, Agility, and equipment. He dodges the blasts when in range and webs her up (including her mouth when she starts spitting fire at him).
R2: Nothing in the avatar verse can pierce Mk 50 Stark nano-tech. A blast of lightning from Thor in the first Avengers Assemble (which was beyond anything Azula has ever done) was absorbed and redirected by the Mark VII Iron Man Suit, which is fantastically inferior to the Mk50 and Iron Spider which are built of the same stuff.
@vengefulshot: Those blasts from the two siblings combined were not even close to a 'quarter of the size' of the city.
Also you gotta read the conditions. If Stark Nano-tech can endure a direct blast from the power stone itself, there is nothing even an amped Azula can do that is going to scratch it.
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