Damian lost to Tim Drake twice.....

Do you believe Shang Chi is the most skilled warrior in the Marvel Earth?Cause that's what Black Panther said.Batman has way more skill feats than Wonder Woman to indicate that he would easily take her in a h2h random encounter with no powers.

To compare Wonder Woman and Batman you should account that they must be on the same physical level.For example either Wonder Woman needs to be depowered or Batman needs her powers.

In most of his fights,Superman uses brute strength.Batman always uses his skill.Batman K.Oed WW because he fought smart.

Please name some feats of Wonder Woman w/w.o. powers that indeicate her skill level is higher than Batman's. All I have from Wonder Woman is beating the hell out of some street thugs and some secret agents(without powers).Ah,and getting her butt kicked by Black Canary in a sparring match(with powers).

@stronger said:

Black Panther never said that Shang Chi was the most skilled warrior on Marvel Earth.

Most skilled martial artists in comics are on different physical levels. If this was a battle thread and we were saying who would beat who, you would depower her for the thread but you can't tell me that I couldn't use skill feats she has from when she had powers because the characters she fights ARE on her physical level or have some type of abilities that even the odds.

It doesn't really matter how smart he fights unless he used a nerve strike or a pressure point or something like that he's not capable of dropping her with one hit with Superman's powers.

I never said that she was more skilled than Batman and I don't think that's what "best melee fighter in the world" means either. I responded because you said without powers Batman would stomp. I don't think so but I'm not saying she's a better fighter.

1. karate kid 1. 2. karate kid 2. 3. black dragon. 4. vandal savage. 5. wonder woman. 6. ras al ghul. 7. sensei. 8. richard dragon. 9. bronze tiger. 10. lady shiva.

1) I think he was talking with Luke Cage about the skill level of Iron Fist and Shang Chi.I should check it out.

2) Even if this counted, Wonder Woman hasn't beat anyone with any particular skill better than any of Batman adversairies over the years.

3) Well they were fighting on the moon,and Batman elbowed her back to Earth because of the inertia.If you 'd like to see the scan,I have it.

4)Well featwise,Wonder Woman cannot really compare with Batman. That's why I said what I said.I am still waiting for some WW feats.

I ' give you the scans in a sec.....

I am using my phone right now.

@vance_astro:

martial arts not mean just power, strength, deadly or skilled

1-O-Sensei

2-Batman 1 Million

3-Batman

4-Karate Kid

5-Bronz Tiger

6-Richard Dragon

7-Lady Shiva

8-Cassandra Cain

9-Wonder Woman

10-Connow Hawke

11-Ra's Al Ghul

12-DeathStroke

13-Nightwing

14-Constantine Drakon

15-Azrael

16-Prometheus

17-I-Ching

18-White Canary and Black Canary

19-Huntress

20-David Cain

21-Jason Todd

22-Damian Wayne and Tim Drake

23-Bane

24-Cheshire

25-Katana

26-Rorschah

27-Onyx

28-Ravager

29-Owlman

30-Barbara Gordon

31-Vic Sage

32-Roy Harper

33-Green Arrow

34-Catwoman

34-Renee Montoya

This is my Top 35 ;)

By the way ım forgot to say big barda and female furries

Richard Dragon

O-Sensei

Lady Shiva

Deathstroke

Bronze Tiger

Karate Kid

Artemis(amazon)

Batman

Black Canary

Nightwing

- First of all, who the *** is karate kid?

- Regardless, my list goes:

- 1. Sensei

- 2. Lady Shiva

- 3. David Cain

-4. Cassandra Cain

- 5-10. somewhat irrelevant and Bruce is somewhere in here.

I have detected some major miscalculating here.

People place David Cain above Cassandra and Bruce??

Deathstroke has the strength of ten men, so he probably, one on one, could beat batman. But if this is just about Martial Arts then Batman might be better trained. Agreed with poster above though, people putting David Cain above Batman and Cass are wrong. Cain can't beat Bruce and Cass now has Cain and Bruce's training putting her above both. Also she beat Lady Shiva...so yeah.

To single her out, if you have Babs on here, you have to put Kate Kane (Batwoman) above her. The two fought in Batgirl #12: it lasted four panels, Barbara didn't get a single hit in, and it ended with Kate handing her a silk handkerchief for the bloody nose. Kate Kane was top of her class at West Point a decade earlier, and has been training relentlessly since then. She has to be high on any female list.

Superman. Martial art is the art of unarmed combat. Using lightning speed and immeasurable power to punch everyone else on your top 10 list to the mutha' fing moon makes him the greatest martial artist in the DC Universe.

Are we talking Val Armorr Karate Kid, or the second one? (whose name I don't know). Also what about lesser known characters like Lady Vic, King Snake, Cheshire, and I read somewhere there's one called Zeiss or something. And what about Catman or Scandal from the Secret Six?

1. Catman
2. Karate Kid
3. Richard Dragon
4. Slade Wilson
5. Batman
6. Black Canary
7. Dick Grayson
8. Damin Wayne
9. WW
10. DoomsDay

1. bronze tiger
2. batman
3. deathstroke
4. bane
5. starscream

Based off of PURE skill, in my opinion it's:

1) O-Sensei

2) Karate Kid

3) Bruce Wayne (morals off)

3) Richard Dragon (prime)

4) Constantine Drakon

5) Bronze Tiger

6) Cassandra Cain (with her ability)

7) Lady Shiva

8) Connor Hawke

9) David Cain (invented body reading)

10) Slade Wilson

Though 5-9 are interchangeable the most I believe, morals off, skill-wise they all could give each other hell. Every fighter has good days and bad days, skill and poise are neglected based on the meta, super and peak human standards. Utilizing their skill alone, morals off is the sole reason I have Bruce so high, morals on I'd put him at a tie with Shiva. He fought a furious Cassie to a standstill while he was trying to talk her down, he's defeated Dragon and Cain and had it not been for Slades ability and Bruce's morality he would have killed Slade (who's my favorite honestly). That's why I have him so high. But in character, holding back a bit, he drops a few spaces.

Bump

1. Karate Kid

2. Senseii

3. Deathstroke

4. Richard Dragon

5. Batman

6. Bronze Tiger

7. Cassie Cain

8. Lady Shiva

9. Black Canary

10. Ra's Al Ghul

1.batman

2.batman

3. youre still reading?

4.batman

5.batmans balagna sandwhich

6.batman

7.batman

batman beat up the number eight

9.batman

10. bruce wayne

Perhaps we should send DC a signed letter asking for the official top ten list. I say this knowing I will be mocked for the comment, but I do truly mean it. It would be nice to have this dispute settled in some official fashion. And it would certainly help in battle threads.

- You realize that said list would still be subjective right?

@cascadeking09: Dude, don't be so hard on yourself

Yes in a sense it would be but it would be DC's official ruling on the subject.

1. Batman One Million

2. Karate Kid

3. Lady Shiva

4. Richard Dragon

5. Cassandra Cain

6. Batman (Bruce Wayne)

7. Deathstroke

8. David Caine

9. Bronze Tiger

10. Wonder Woman

When was this?

Aside from a few sparring/training-sessions, they only fought (for real) in 2 ocasions.

Batgirl #50 - Tough Love

The scans are in order, from right to left:

Gallery

They were both under the effects of the same drugg, IIRC, and it ended in stallemate, because Batman was mostly trying to evade her, and he was using Gear + Gadgets + Dirty Tactic's, to do so.

Batman: Gotham Knights #5 - Locked; Hide and Seek

The scans are in order, from right to left:

Gallery

A very angry Batman was about to kill the The Key and was stopped by both Azrael (Jean-Paul Valley) and Cass, Batman quickly toke out Azrael, and then, he and Cass fought for a few panels, Cass out-fighted Batman, and Batman decided to flee.

1) Karate Kid

2) Sa'ar

3) Sensei

4) Cassandra Cain (with her Body-Reading)

5) Lady Shiva

6) Richard Dragon

7) Batman

8) Connor Hawke

9) Bronze Tiger

10) Vic Sage

1. Karate Kid

2. Cassandra Cain

3. Lady Shiva

4. Richard Dragon

5. Batman or Red Hood (new 52)

7. Bronze Tiger

8. Black Canary

9.Connor Hawke

10. David Cain

Richard Dragon is easily the best if you ask me.

1. Karate Kid

2. Richard Dragon

3. Lady Shiva

4. Bronze Tiger

5. Batman

6. Cassandra Cain

7. David Cain

8. Deathstroke

9. Black Canary

10. Connor Hawke

Some If these answers are reallllll dumb.

(Not including Batman One Million)

Factoring in everything from skill and experience, to smarts, knowledge, and physicals:

1. Karate Kid
2. Batman
3. Lady Shiva
4. Sensei
5. Richard Dragon

Based purely on technical skill:

1. Karate Kid
2. Sensei
3. Lady Shiva
4. Batman
5. Richard Dragon

The bottom half of either Top 10 (for me) is a crapshoot, but probably consists of:

• Cassandra Cain
• Black Canary
• Richard Grayson
• Bronze Tiger
• Connor Hawke

Deathstroke

@vance_astro: agreed

I don't see it, or no one mention Archer Braun ?

1. Bruce

2. Wayne

3. Mr.Wayne

4. Batman

5. Matches Malone

6. Lefty

The rest is irrelevant.

This guy only appeared in one storyline, and had some metanhuman power.

i dont think any of these lists really matter i mean sure there all great but for instance 1 punch to batgirl(cassandra cain) from batman or 2 would probably knock her out if they were solid punches.

1-Karate kid

2-Conner Hawke

3-Batman

4-Cassandra Cain

5-Dick Grayson

6-Lady Shiva

7-Bruce Wayne

8-Dick Grayson

9-Conner Hawke

10-Tim Drake

Karate Kid

Sensei

Batman

Lady Shiva

Richard Dragon

Bronze Tiger

Nightwing

Bane

Connor Hawke

Tim Drake

He was a mind-reader that even beat Lady Shiva because he always knew what she would do in antecipation, Huntress beat him by clearing her mind.

Nope, not even close.

Cass has tanked Batman's punches with no problem before, while allowing him to hit her and asking him for more, Batman himself even got a bit scared/surprised:

It's also important to mention that Cass wasn't trying to figh back there, and also she can read Body-Language fluently to the point of pre-cognition, in a real fight with both at their peak's, Bruce would have to struggle very hard to even land one single hit on her, let alone K.O her.

Batman 1000000

1. Karate Kid

2. Cassandra Cain

3. Lady Shiva

4. Richard Dragon

5. Batman

7. Bronze Tiger

8. Black Canary

9.Connor Hawke

10. David Cain