OG Dragon Ball Strength Tier List

Alternate list w/ Kami in same tier as Goku and Piccolo.

I'm preparing to make a dragon ball tier list in the future. This list covers the pre Z events.

Let me know what you guys think of the placements. Changes can still be made.

A few personal questions of interest.

-Tao vs 22nd Budokai Chiaotzu/Krillin/Yamcha. I found evidence for them to be argued either way. The 22nd trio could also be argued above Grandpa Gohan and post Korin training Goku.

-Adult Chichi, I put her above Master Shen/Crane Hermit as shonen jump gave her a power level of 130 and he is 120, though idk if she should really be that high. Her only feat is being stomped by 23rd Goku who would also stomp Crane hermit, so it's hard to tell.

-Korin is also as high as he is due to the power level of 190 he was given. He was confirmed to be below post 22nd Goku after he should have gotten a zenkai from the Tambourine fight, however he could also be argued below post Korin training Goku and Roshi as they both managed to take the water from him, which could mean they surpassed him.

I think doing a Tierlist for OG DB is much harder than DBZ mainly due to some of the outlandish powers here, I think Monster Carrot, Devilmite and to an extent Invisible Man and General Blue are hard to place.

Like kid Chichi likely beats MC and loses to Bora, because she is a long range combatant, but Bora is likely to lose to MC because he was not shown to blitz and was shown to choose to tank stuff, which I don't think he could do in the case of MC.

I agree with the top rank (consider renaming it to "Stongest under the Heavens"), with the Kami rank, and for the most part the King Piccolo and Grandmaster tier, the only itch I have there is Buff Roshi.

We never really see him fight, in OG DB he only goes into that form to fire his max power KHH, so then if we are ranking him as a fighter, we don't really know, and if we are ranking his KHH alone, then he may belong in the same tier of Strongest under the Heavens, since he destroyed the moon and 23rd Goku's KHH was stated in the guidebooks to have the power to shatter moons. So overall I think I wouldn't personally rank that form as a fighter, but if I had to, I'd put him at least in King Piccolo tier.

There are a couple things in the lower ranks i disagree with, but dont wanna do a full breakdown now, ill see if i do it tomorrow, the only thing that really has me scratching my head is Ranfan's placement, im pretty sure most of the lowest tier would wreck her if they actually fight her, instead of averting their eyes away from her.

@alextheboss: Put threads like this in "Feats and Analysis" in the future.

@scarlet_death: ok, I didn't even know that was a thing, lol.

@rukelnikovftw:

I think doing a Tierlist for OG DB is much harder than DBZ mainly due to some of the outlandish powers here, I think Monster Carrot, Devilmite and to an extent Invisible Man and General Blue are hard to place.

Like kid Chichi likely beats MC and loses to Bora, because she is a long range combatant, but Bora is likely to lose to MC because he was not shown to blitz and was shown to choose to tank stuff, which I don't think he could do in the case of MC.

true, though I doubt Bora is slow. he could just throw his spear through monster carrot.

I agree with the top rank (consider renaming it to "Stongest under the Heavens"), with the Kami rank, and for the most part the King Piccolo and Grandmaster tier, the only itch I have there is Buff Roshi.

Good idea!

We never really see him fight, in OG DB he only goes into that form to fire his max power KHH, so then if we are ranking him as a fighter, we don't really know, and if we are ranking his KHH alone, then he may belong in the same tier of Strongest under the Heavens, since he destroyed the moon and 23rd Goku's KHH was stated in the guidebooks to have the power to shatter moons. So overall I think I wouldn't personally rank that form as a fighter, but if I had to, I'd put him at least in King Piccolo tier.

Yeah he is one of the hardest characters to place. Many things indicate the characters are not moon level until the 23rd, so power wise it would make sense for him to be there, but at the same time Roshi thought King Piccolo's power was incomparable to his own. The only thing that makes sense is if it's a ssj grade 3 Trunks and Cell type of thing, where overall Roshi is not comparable to Piccolo, but with his buff form he technically has more raw power (though King Piccolo would be able to reach a greater power if he knew how to do the same thing). Or the power level multiplier of the kamehameha just puts Roshi's DC above, and King Piccolo is only city-country level because he only knows basic ki blasts.

There are a couple things in the lower ranks i disagree with, but dont wanna do a full breakdown now, ill see if i do it tomorrow, the only thing that really has me scratching my head is Ranfan's placement, im pretty sure most of the lowest tier would wreck her if they actually fight her, instead of averting their eyes away from her.

Ok if you have the time let me know.

Nice work

@nassergrant19: thanks

So, I re-read a couple RR arc fights, got to Yamcha vs Invisible Man, my take of the lowest ranks would be:

Human Rank:

• Pilaf, isn't a combatant, without his tech and he has another entry with his tech so it's fine there.

• Commander Red same as pilaf is not really a combatant, don't remember if he has a gun, but if he has he's okay above pilaf, otherwise they are interchangeble I think.

• Upa's only "fight" that I can remember is against the vampire and its a 2 on 1, along with puar they do beat the vamp, but they had "prep" Upa eats garlic before the fight, still, the vamp doesn't one shot him, idk, seems more like a gag fight than anything else, I wouldn't give Upa odds against anyone.

• Oolong could turn into a giant Mecha, only lasts 5 mins (he cant exert to make it last longer though), but if he were to fight, he could probably defeat anyone in the human tier (except puar), but doesn't have a combatants mentality and that holds him back.

• Similarly Puar turned into giant scissors and cut Oozaru Goku's tail, which for sure was a very big weak point at the time, but still, he then transforms into a giant hand against the vampire and slaps him from the air to the water, I think he can probably beat any human tier character, and maybe even some low superhumans, he seems to have a bit more of a combatants mentality than Oolong, maybe cause he graduated lol.

• I don't remember Mai and Fuu very well, but I was always under the impression that the dog was the least useless of the two.

• I don't remember the other guy.

• Launch if she has her machinegus and bazookas she may be able to take an the lower end RR generals Yellow, Red and White, she was fearless and extremely trigger happy, I don't rememebr much from her in the for of feats without her weaponry.

• The lower end RR generals, IDR them very well, and the order you placed them is in line more or less with how I remember their strength to be, IDK if Red or White could take on Bacterian.

Low Superhuman:

• The pterodactyl, if its the one in the first or second episode, I assume could beat Ranfan.

• The giant tiger is turned into a joke by Goku, but again can probably beat ranfan.

• Pre Roshi Krillin didn't have much feats, but he did one shot a pretty big tiger and by running created a dust cloud that could be seen from very far away, He is surprised of himsenlf in the 21st Budokai when he kicks th mon thru the wall, while Yamcha did a pretty similar feat in his first appearance against Goku making him crash thru 3 pillars, so I think its fair to say pre Roshi Krillin is below Bandit Yamcha, I think I'd still put him above Bacterian.

• Ranfan, I don't remember anything from her to show she was a fighter at all, wasn't her whole schtik just being in underwear so the other fighters would look away from her and refuse to attack her leading her to win by default? Launch should definitely beat her.

• Dino, its fine I guess, I don't think anyone below can beat it except maybe pre Roshi Krillin.

• MC as I said I think it's hard to place, with no knowledge he would beat almost anyone from the tier above, but with knowledge he may lose to almost enyone in the tier below.

High Superhuman:

• The guy that showed up when piccolo assaulted the president's castle, who knows, he was fodder to piccolo, but that's not saying much.

• Man-wolf He's good enough to get thru the prelims of the TB, I think he's fine there.

• Kid chichi also seems ok there she more than likely beats anyone below, and IIRC yamcha cheap shotted her so the placing seems correct.

• Murasaki, I assume is being evaluated on his own not with his brothers, he's tricky enough to cheap shot and one shot a Goku far stonger than the one Yamcha one shotted, but IDK if he has the durability to put him above yamcha or pre roshi Goku, I think its ok here he is.

• Bandit Yamcha above chichi and below pre roshi Goku seems ok.

• Could 21st Yamcha defeat pre Roshi Goku? He thinks he has improved a bit, IDK

Low Master:

• Assistant Black, has statements to be the bestcombatant of the RR army, and I think Murasaki has a shot against Pre Roshi Goku, so prolly ok having him there.

• Vampire defeated Krillin this would put him above 21st Krillin.

• Invisible Man is an interesting fight, Yamcha managed to land a hit by hearing his steps, and claimed IM couldn't completely erase his presence when he moved, however IM challenged that, thing is Baba starts to sing after this, so IDK if baba's song is what he meant, or if he could do better than what he was doing. Still, once visible, he's no threat at this point, his AP should be pretty low considering he hit Yamcha a lot before Krillin used Bulma's boobs to make him visible, and Yamcha still wasn't out for the count. I think he should go above Pamput for sure, and maybe even above Krillin, since his go to idea to beat the enemy was not listening to its moves but making it visible.

• Don't remeber how the fights with pilaf's mechs went.

• Giran beat's tailless Goku but loses against Goku's one tailed form, could 21st Krillin beat Tailless Goku? I don't think so, he stated himself Goku could move the boulder more than him, So krillin likely can't get out of the bubblegum, he may belong above 21st Krillin

• Pamput broke one of the TB walls, which seem to be pretty thick, but still that's far below what Bandit Yamcha did, I don't think he can beat Bandit Yamcha, or even Giran for that matter who could restrain a Goku that could push a giant boulder pretty far, I think you are overrating him.

• The robot's speed is weird it can dodge an artillery shell yet later it can't get out of the way of a speeding truck, its strong enough to stop an attack from goku and throw him away away, its durability again kinda iffy no selled the truck crashing it to a wall but is then one shotted by a strong attack from Goku, I don't think it would have beaten Goku on a 1v1 if there's no water around, and I also don't think it would have beaten Krillin on a 1v1 IF krillin was't a scared of it.

• 21st Krillin, I'm not sure he can beat Giran, maybe he wouldn't get caught in the bubblegum, in which case I think he wins, but if he gets caught I think he loses. Aside from that, as I said before he lost to the vampire

• I assume that's Baba's Tournament Yamcha, right? I think he's above 21st Krillin, he had a shot against Invisble Man, by just using his hearing, which is something Krillin didn't think to do, so he's probably a better combatant at this point.

Well that's it for this post, ill go over the rest in the next few days.

@rukelnikovftw:

Upa's only "fight" that I can remember is against the vampire and its a 2 on 1, along with puar they do beat the vamp, but they had "prep" Upa eats garlic before the fight, still, the vamp doesn't one shot him, idk, seems more like a gag fight than anything else, I wouldn't give Upa odds against anyone.

He threw an ax once so I gave him the edge over the fodder non fighters below him.

Oolong could turn into a giant Mecha, only lasts 5 mins (he cant exert to make it last longer though), but if he were to fight, he could probably defeat anyone in the human tier (except puar), but doesn't have a combatants mentality and that holds him back.

His transformations are a bluff, they don't make him any stronger. A little kid with a tiny rock hurt Oolong in his giant mech form.

Pre Roshi Krillin didn't have much feats, but he did one shot a pretty big tiger and by running created a dust cloud that could be seen from very far away, He is surprised of himsenlf in the 21st Budokai when he kicks th mon thru the wall, while Yamcha did a pretty similar feat in his first appearance against Goku making him crash thru 3 pillars, so I think its fair to say pre Roshi Krillin is below Bandit Yamcha, I think I'd still put him above Bacterian.

Post training Krillin was like dozens of times stronger and faster. Pre training Krillin would be like those fodder from his old school that bullied him, and they would probably be below Bacterian who made it to the finals. Pre Roshi Krillin only might beat Bacterian due to not having a nose.

Ranfan, I don't remember anything from her to show she was a fighter at all, wasn't her whole schtik just being in underwear so the other fighters would look away from her and refuse to attack her leading her to win by default? Launch should definitely beat her.

Her strikes were able to hurt Nam, so it depends how impressive you think that is. Nam is very strong, but you could argue it as an off guard/gag thing.

Dino, its fine I guess, I don't think anyone below can beat it except maybe pre Roshi Krillin.

iirc pre training Roshi was afraid of dinosaurs.

The guy that showed up when piccolo assaulted the president's castle, who knows, he was fodder to piccolo, but that's not saying much.

He said he had to come out because guns and missiles weren't working on King Piccolo so he should be > conventional weaponry.

Assistant Black, has statements to be the bestcombatant of the RR army, and I think Murasaki has a shot against Pre Roshi Goku, so prolly ok having him there.

Do you know where that statement was?

Vampire defeated Krillin this would put him above 21st Krillin.

It was implied if Goku didn't get Krillin angry he could have won.

Invisible Man is an interesting fight, Yamcha managed to land a hit by hearing his steps, and claimed IM couldn't completely erase his presence when he moved, however IM challenged that, thing is Baba starts to sing after this, so IDK if baba's song is what he meant, or if he could do better than what he was doing. Still, once visible, he's no threat at this point, his AP should be pretty low considering he hit Yamcha a lot before Krillin used Bulma's boobs to make him visible, and Yamcha still wasn't out for the count. I think he should go above Pamput for sure, and maybe even above Krillin, since his go to idea to beat the enemy was not listening to its moves but making it visible.

Baba said each fighter was stronger than the last, so he has to be above Vampire, so he goes at least right above wherever you think Vampire goes. And yes, Baba was singing so Yamcha couldn't hear IM, so he should go above him in a fair 1v1.

Pamput broke one of the TB walls, which seem to be pretty thick, but still that's far below what Bandit Yamcha did, I don't think he can beat Bandit Yamcha, or even Giran for that matter who could restrain a Goku that could push a giant boulder pretty far, I think you are overrating him.

Seeing Goku break the same wall made Giran surrender. Pamput should be stronger than Giran, but his gum could allow him to win.

I assume that's Baba's Tournament Yamcha, right?

yes