Duo folds him like a lawn chair,
King alone could give sanji a high-extreme diff fight due to king rivaling and tanking zoro AP,
then add Katakuri in which he could tag sanji mid-air with chikara mochi,
( A Black mamba amped with future sight was no sweat against kata then dodging and tagging sanji is no issue either)
and entraping his whole body like gear 4 after he connects,
I could see kata trapping sanji like this then king finish him off like he was ordering a mcdonald meal lmao
Yeah and it took Zoro a decent amount of time to get to that point.
Sanji's raw power isn't at Zoro's level
It’s near that level as we’ve seen on Egghead. Destroying an Admiral’s laser attack. Same laser stated to threaten Lunarian durability.
All without using any Jambes. That’s easily Zoro tier AP.
so even with flames off he'd still need more hits which I'm not sure he can afford to do.
2-3 kicks at most. We’ve already seen him slightly damage a flames on Lunarian in base which is consistent with the Kizaru laser feats.
You do remember katakuri is here too.
Yeah and he’s even slower than King. He won’t be able to keep up with their fight. He scales far below Base Kaido Thunder Bagua that King is far above scaling to Rooftop Pre-Acoc Luffy/Zoro.
We literally saw nobody including Sanji
We saw base Sanji slightly damage S-Shakes when his flames were on.
could damage the Seraphim. This is most likely a damage type situation.
The lasers were stated by the products that made them to be strong enough to hurt Lunarian durability and Sanji straight up vaped them with a single kick. Which is why Kizaru was so shook.
Sanji can't and doesn't fly constantly as it takes stamina
No it doesn’t. And yeah Sanji often fights in the air using Sky-Walk. It’s easy for him.
not to mention this is ignoring the possibility of him getting knocked into it or straight up grabbed.
Grabbed from the ground? Unlikely as he’s flying and like I said he’d just melt out of it if he’s touched.
Katakuri can coat his awakening in haki so burning out (which Sanji didn't even try when doffy did the same thing)
Ridiculous example as that Sanji is 3 tiers below Current Sanji.
Strings=/=Candy
isn't really an option.
It is and even if he was stuck to it. His physical strength shits on Kata so he’d just muscle out.
Sanji would win 1v1 but both is too much.
Not really. As I’ve said, Sanji is too fast for King. He’d need to have flames off to keep up, and as soon as Sanji makes contact it’s 2-3 Germa State kicks maximum until it’s lights out. His AP is far too high. Kata’s AP isn’t doing anything to Sanji’s durability and mochi sticky tactics ain’t doing anything when he can just burn out of it. The rest is just a oneshot as Kata ain’t even surviving a blow from Base Egghead Sanji.
Yeah and it took Zoro a decent amount of time to get to that point.
Sanji's raw power isn't at Zoro's level
It’s near that level as we’ve seen on Egghead. Destroying an Admiral’s laser attack. Same laser stated to threaten Lunarian durability.
All without using any Jambes. That’s easily Zoro tier AP.
Considering multiple characters INCLUDING SANJI couldn't harm them I'm pretty sure it's a more interaction rock paper scissors situation.
so even with flames off he'd still need more hits which I'm not sure he can afford to do.
2-3 kicks at most. We’ve already seen him slightly damage a flames on Lunarian in base which is consistent with the Kizaru laser feats.
Sanji didn't do any damage.
You do remember katakuri is here too.
Yeah and he’s even slower than King. He won’t be able to keep up with their fight. He scales far below Base Kaido Thunder Bagua that King is far above scaling to Rooftop Pre-Acoc Luffy/Zoro.
He scales below it yes but so do Zoro and Luffy. The latter has future sight which Sanji doesn't balancing out the speed difference.
We literally saw nobody including Sanji
We saw base Sanji slightly damage S-Shakes when his flames were on.
could damage
Sanji can't and doesn't fly constantly as it takes stamina
No it doesn’t. And yeah Sanji often fights in the air using Sky-Walk. It’s easy for him.
Yeah it does. And my point still stands.
not to mention this is ignoring the possibility of him getting knocked into it or straight up grabbed.
Grabbed from the ground? Unlikely as he’s flying and like I said he’d just melt out of it if he’s touched.
king can Fly and katakuri can sprout his mochi mid air. I already pointed out the latter is highly unlikely and gets negated by haki.
Katakuri can coat his awakening in haki so burning out (which Sanji didn't even try when doffy did the same thing)
Ridiculous example as that Sanji is 3 tiers below Current Sanji.
He still had hells memories and Queen successfully blocked his diable jambe with hardening the one time he used it.
Strings=/=Candy
Both normally burn but Sanji didn't try it.
isn't really an option.
It is and even if he was stuck to it. His physical strength shits on Kata so he’d just muscle out.
Debatable.
Sanji would win 1v1 but both is too much.
Not really. As I’ve said, Sanji is too fast for King. He’d need to have flames off to keep up, and as soon as Sanji makes contact it’s 2-3 Germa State kicks maximum until it’s lights out. His AP is far too high. Kata’s AP isn’t doing anything to Sanji’s durability and mochi sticky tactics ain’t doing anything when he can just burn out of it. The rest is just a oneshot as Kata ain’t even surviving a blow from Base Egghead Sanji.
Considering multiple characters INCLUDING SANJI
He already harmed one on panel.
I'm pretty sure it's
The raw AP of the laser. BM tried to use homies to block Radical Beam.
It’s confirmed he destroyed light itself. That’s insane AP.
You’re just searching for ways to downplay such a blatant feat.
He scales below it yes but so do Zoro and Luffy.
No they don’t lol.
The latter has future sight which Sanji doesn't balancing out the speed difference.
No it doesn‘t. Base Kaido blitzed past that and made it irrelevant. King is well into Base Kaido speeds and Sanji is way higher than that even without using Jambe amps. Kata isn’t keeping up in speed at all…
Yeah it does. And my point still stands.
not to mention this is ignoring the possibility of him getting knocked into it or straight up grabbed.
Grabbed from the ground? Unlikely as he’s flying and like I said he’d just melt out of it if he’s touched.
king can Fly
And he gets 3-shot by IFJ mid-air.
and katakuri can sprout his mochi mid air. I already pointed out
With no basis.
the latter is highly unlikely and gets negated by haki.
Sanji‘s haki> so nah.
He still had hells memories and Queen successfully blocked his diable jambe with hardening the one time he used it.
That Sanji is still far stronger than Dressrosa lol.
Both normally burn but Sanji didn't try it.
3 tiers below. Irrelevant example
isn't really an option.
Clearly is.
As I’ve said, Sanji is too fast for King. He’d need to have flames off to keep up, and as soon as Sanji makes contact it’s 2-3 Germa State kicks maximum until it’s lights out. His AP is far too high. Kata’s AP isn’t doing anything to Sanji’s durability and mochi sticky tactics ain’t doing anything when he can just burn out of it. The rest is just a oneshot as Kata ain’t even surviving a blow from Base Egghead Sanji.
no he didn't we've been over this. Zoro and Luffy did the same thing
We’ve been over this. Let’s break it down.
Zoro who is tiers beneath Luffy admitted he couldn’t do anything. Luffy did not use Acoc but did not agree he couldn’t hurt the Seraphim. He only used basic haki without making the same concession Zoro did.
All this proves is Egghead Sanji’s Power of Love Haki Bloom AP is on a high level as the Seraphim is in blatant agony from the blow
(Nami hit S-Shark when the flames were off and lightning ignores Durability as it tenses the muscles)
I was referring to s scaling below it in speed not durability. They've clearly surpassed katakuri there.
Yeah
I'm not downplaying I'm pointing out context. The monster trio explicitly couldn't harm the seraphim Sanji included
He already did on panel. Was S-Shark just taking a nap here? Or what?
and despite Luffy basically one shooting him Sanji blocking his laser is what shocks him. Kizaru even points out it Defies PHYSICS.
Yeah because he kicked a high AP attack into nothingness. That’s never been done before in One Piece.
There's literally no case for Sanji's haki being stronger than Luffy's
No one argued that.
while katakuri's explicitly.
Kata is tiers below Luffy’s haki. Outside of CoO, Sanji’s COA is far better than Kata.
Unstoppable donuts and even his normal attacks can reach Sanji
And they wouldn’t do anything. He’d no-sell the punches even easier than Queen’s sword or S-Shark’s punches. Kata couldn’t even K’O a fatigued Base WCI Luffy with hundreds of those hits.
unless he purposely stays in the sky which is a bad idea as he's the only one without range attacks.
He’ll stay in the sky to finish off King quickly and then come down to deal with Kata.
Yes Sanji is faster than king but that doesn't mean he's going to turn off his flames
If he doesn’t he won’t be able to keep up with or perceive Sanji. And even if you wanna play this “Camp in Flames On” headcanon strategy, something he failed to do against Zoro due to his stamina running out, he wouldn’t offer any aid to the fight while he gasses himself out. His Laser Beak move would just get kicked, his physical blows wouldn’t do a thing to Sanji’s durability and his flames won’t do anything to Sanji’s heat resistant body.
He’d just be gassing himself out until his flames go out, just like with Zoro.
and even if he does katakuri can warn him or intervene with future sight.
This is useless as I’ve pointed out. With such a large gap in speed the ability is useless. Against Sanji he’ll end up like Base Kaido against Act 1 Luffy. One good kick and he’d break Kata’s neck.
And Sanji doesn't have KOH level damage output
Sanji has near that level of output without using any Jambes. Destroying laser that threaten Lunarian durability and slightly damaging flames on Lunarians absolutely shits on anything King did. 2-3 kicks tops before he’s K’Od.
Nasser stop trying to act as if Sanji has hurt a Flame On Lunarian he hasn't no one has especially when a G4 Luffy and Hybrid Lucci using named attacks combined still can't hurt a Flame On Lunarian then Sanji sure as heck isn’t.
OT: King and Katakuri win extreme diff. While yes Sanji should mop up Katakuri in a normal fight but since King is here that won't be happening as it's a 2v1 and even if it does King should still be able to pull through and win as if Sanji tries to ignore King to do mop up Katakuri that should allow King to land a sufficient blow to put the fight solidly in his favour.
King's flames are can become alike to Magma as such should be more than enough to hurt Sanji despite his heat resistance and since he's Lunarian he should be more than fine to take Sanji's heat of his attacks, Zoro's attacks >≈ Sanji's attacks so King should be able to even in Flame Off take like say a dozen hits from an amped Sanji.
@lilacplasmabeam: Yes,Kata is>King the Background
CoC,next level CoA,FS,awakening,more or less hyped by Ray,has the best feats amoung the YC1,is not as incompetent as King.Only thing King is better is in Dura with Flames on.Flames off King is glasscanon
Huh? I agree with everything above apart from the last two statements. King can spam big ass Flames that could easily melt mountain ranges as seen in his fight with zoro and are stated to be as hot as lava. Kata could cover his range but matching his AP and raw firepower would take a significant amount of energy out of him. Then again, Katakuri is more mobile and and could wear him down, come behind him and hit him with Buzz cut mochi so I'm not sure how this goes but the gap between them is almost insignificant.
King can never catch or hit Katakuri.Oda would never disrespect Katakuri like King or Marco.
Shouldn't he be able to tag him in no Flames mode? Also wouldn't your logic imply wci Katakuri > Rooftop Zoro who was equal to King? Which doesn't make sense.
The fact that Katakuri was in Film Mid speaks for itself
What big ass flames?His wish version of Kaidos Susanoo?Thats barely bigger as Zorro and slow af on top of it.That thing gets easly dodged or yeeted away with Mochi Ginchaku
Katakuris casual Power Mochi almost K.O. G4 hence he has Kong Gun AP which is far above Kings paygrade
King got outpaced by Izo but whatever
Guess what,would never happen to Katakuri
Ray was hyping up FS users and so far we only have 4 confirmed FS user.So yes,Kata is a part of the "mightiest"
And Fire aint a problem as he clashed with Red Hawk
I dont think i need to explain how big the gap between both in terms of speed is
Also wouldn't your logic imply wci Katakuri > Rooftop Zoro who was equal to King? Which doesn't make sense.
And here lies your error.Zorro was not equal to King or any YC1 pre-ACoC
Zorro got ragdolled like the biggest fodder.He was no YC1 at this point.
King relys to much on his gimmick and more speed is the counter to that.He NEED to go into speedmode in order to somewhat "keeping" up with Kata who can breakdance around Snakemans Black Mamba which is something King would never be able to do
Also Katas Mogura is more lethal as anything in Kings arsenal
And again,Haki reigns supreme and King the gimmick merchant has dogshit Haki.And for the record,Parrot as well.
Let me end my post with this pretty accurate "meme" which explains the situation pretty well
Im NOT saying Katakuri stomps or low-diffs King as no YC1 bar Ray can do that to his peer.Its a upper high diff fight
@dertilt: "Wish Kaido's Susanoo" bruh 💀🤣🤣. But all valid points. I had just realised I wasn't scaling Katakuri to Snakeman's speed or Kong Gun's AP, safely assuming Luffy around that time was around high YC1+ level, so this could be true, and the Haki difference is evident between them too. It all boils down to speed and arsenal which lean more in favor of Kata, though when I was referring to his Flames hurting Katakuri, I was thinking of it in the natural counter sense (magma would melt mochi). If Katakuris haki wasn't that good King might actually stalemate, and in a battle scenario where they figure out each others powers maybe King can hurt his body and weaken his Haki usage. Though seeing as this is highly unlikely, Katakuri wins eventually. Keeping that meme lol. However, didn't Zoro manage to land hits with King evenly pre ACoc after learning how his Flames worked? Iirc
Kata has also Kong Gun Durability as he took it with just a bloody lip
Same Kong Gun which forced BM to use CoA and rathled her Arm
Next Level CoA which was so hard that Ruffy hurt himself
Strong CoC which is strong enough to damage the environment
CoO or rather FS.Again,having FS means you are a part of the mightiest.And since the source is Ray,its plausibel to believe it
And we both know Haki>All
In terms of DF:
Katakuri can utilize his DF to the max
and has awakening which was just countred by Ruffys special stomache,NOT by bruteforce
Katakuri shits on Kings Haki,in fact on ANY BP Members Haki(bar Kaido) IN EVERY CATEGORY by a landslide.Nobody of them has next level CoA(clows like Jack didnt even shown basic ass CoA hardening),nobody of them has base CoO let alone FS which even Kaido has to asspull out of his ass and neither of them has CoC
And DF mastery is self explained
Their is a reason the BP getting carried by Kaido alone
I was thinking of it in the natural counter sense (magma would melt mochi)
Only his IFW is like "Magma"
His other moves are just normal fire.And "normal" fire being Katas counter was never a thing.Looking again at Red Hawk AND Katas own Burning Mochi.I mean,he covers his Mochi in fire,what do you want more lol
And against attacks like Kings Jackpot which requires physical contact,Kata can just use his self made fists hence he dont even need to go CQC with his own Body
However, didn't Zoro manage to land hits with King evenly pre ACoc after learning how his Flames worked?
Here and their yes but he got most of the time ragdolled.
And for flames on,Marco was able to hurt King with flames on
And Marcos forte was never his AP.It should be clear that G4 Kong Gun is>Marcos Kick.Again,check the clash with BM on WCI i posted above
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