Kaido & Shanks vs The Three Admirals

I'm afraid the duo might take this until Daddy Wakazuki gets his eventual fight with Ascended Condom.

Rat Hair already proved he can outright low-diff Kizaru:

And Aokiji doesn't have much going for him at this moment other than being sub-Akainu. Which isn't a bad thing. Being below the G.O.A.T. isn't something to be ashamed of.

So as usual, HIM:

Will have to carry these two goons and bring the Admiral Agenda back to it's former glory.

Team 1 wins extreme diff. Shanks carries. Making an admiral shit his pants just by using wifi haki is too good of a feat even if it was meant to be promotional stunt to hype up the Red movie. Kaido at best beats Aokiji extreme diff. Don't see him beating Kizaru or Akainu. An emotionally handicapped Kizaru destroyed G4 Luffy who could go toe to toe with Kaido and tanked G5 luffy's dawn whip without any critical damage which made Kaido puke blood. And that was one arc ago. Considering the insane power creep Luffy goes through each arc current g4 would be stronger than wano g4 by decent margin.

Team 1.

Admirals

@packwatcher:

Huh? Shanks didn't low diff anything what are talking about not to mention Red as a movie isn't even canon to the timeline.

Admirals win.

Nerfed Kizaru alone is >≈ Egghead G5 Luffy > G4 Snakeman. Kuzan is ≈ Kizaru and Akainu is >≈ both of them.

@sixpathsofcapra: kaido is the strongest one here? Luffy also didn't get some insane power creep during wano? If anything he got nerfed as now his stamina in gear 5 is trash and he's not even abusing his advanced conqueror anymore or his future sight. Also lmao at kizaru taking anything better than kaido. Kizaru was legit KO'd and couldn't move after taking that attack while kaido willingly took it and laughed. This isn't even getting into how kizaru is fresh and luffy isn't or how kaido was carrying an island whilst fighting. You're acting like luffy was jumping multiple tiers between arcs with that power creep statement.

OT: team 1 mid diff. Any can take 2 admirals imo

Shanks solo

Emperors win. I will not be convinced that Oda is of the belief that the current Admirals can take a serious hit from Shanks at this point without it being a whole event for them to recover, and while Akainu and Aokiji should be a fair bit tougher, Shanks or Kaido would honestly massacre even them 1v1. It's just too big a power difference in all the ways that matter most, especially Haki.

^^^

CV is soon gonna have an entire archive full of Wonko vs Ladmiral threads. If Old Garp could overcome Aokiji Kaido should have the stamina to hold him and Kizaru down (considering the former's dura isn't impressive) while snitch beats Akainu and helps Kaido finish the job.

@plaguedocter:

Huh? Shanks didn't low diff anything what are talking about not to mention Red as a movie isn't even canon to the timeline.

He pretty much blitzed Kizaru and more than likely could kill him had he wanted to do so in RED. As for the movie not being canon, it still helps show the intent on where Shanks is placed in-universe. Since I doubt Oda would hype him up this much only to turn out below any Admiral not named Akainu.

Emperor’s.

I think kizaru would have knocked out Luffy with the acceleration kick if this were true. Can you confidently say that Kizaru can take a direct hit from Luffy and not be knocked out?

I'll never understand the admiral wank with what the manga shows us.

Also this:

Duo mid diffs.

Easy win for Yonko. Shanks and Kaido can comfortably beat 2 admirals each

@packwatcher said:

@plaguedocter:

Yes...I know nobody is KO'ing Luffy that easily which proves he is superior to Kizaru who cannot take a straight hit from Luffy without it potentially ending the fight completely. Luffy has PROVEN durability. You keep saying Kizaru was nerfed but have not idea how durable he if he is in fact nerfed. You cannot say two character are equal arguing from a place a pure ignorance.

We must be reading two different stories because every time hits Kizaru directly (which mean he isn't blocking). He goes down for an extended period of time.

@enemybird said:

shanks and kaido low diff each could high diff 2-3 admirals

Kaido and Shanks Extreme Diff

Emperor Duo.

Akainu, AKA The Softest Marine, is going to be the only real threat depending on how he performs in the future.

Kaido is the weakest one here after Aokiji. He always does. He becomes way better at using the new power he unlocks the previous arc and his base also increases.

This is not a guy who is too injured to fight, that's a guy who doesn't have the will to. Barely any bruises, not a drop of blood. Kaido was bleeding against same attack.

Kizaru was ko'd? Lol it was Luffy who got ko'd and needed help to be able to move again. Kaido recovered from the damage just fine. Kizaru was the one who won that duel. At worst it was a stalemate. Kaido lost to G5.

G4 could keep up with Kaido. Kizaru blitzes a stronger version of G5.

Stay in denial.

The only reason team 1 wins is because shanks hard carries

Saying Shanks carries is absolutely ridiculous when Kaido has more reason to be the one carrying with his endurance, top-tier blitzing speed and Island-sized Flaming Dragon form which most of these admirals have no counter for lol.

@sixpathsofcapra: 1. nothing from any of these people here comes close to kaido lmao and luffy doesn't power creep like that. One piece doesn't work that way. Also hilarious how you say aokiji is the weakest when he's essentially equal to akainu who's above kizaru...lmao

Also becomes way better? This man stamina in gear 5 is dog water now lol and he used gear 5 against Lucci someone zoro defeated...he didn't remotely get better as he hasn't even been using any of the powers he gained during his fight with kaido (aside from gear 5)

2. You gonna ignore the one shot luffy gave him earlier? He was laying down just like that lmao

3. Kizaru for sure got KO'd? What fight were you reading? Kizaru best attack wasn't even noted as doing much damage to luffy who instead said that the barriers dealt significant damage to him lmao.

Kizaru won????? Nah you really reading two piece. Luffy fought Lucci using gear 5 (exhausting himself) and then fought the seraphim all night before a fresh kizaru shows up and then kicks luffy through the barrier which luffy goes through again and then kizaru runs the entire time to further exhaust luffy. He even notes how luffy should've been too tired and then luffy proceeds to one shot him with the first attack he connects with. NOTHING suggests kizaru won. He had every favorable metric and still couldn't put luffy down or do any meaningful damage.

4. Gear 4 kept up with kizaru too? Lmao same luffy fighting kizaru wasn't abusing future sight or advanced conqueror like he was against kaido. He didn't even go gear 5 until going through the barrier. And kizaru blitzing gear 5??? He was getting manhandled by gear 5 any time he got close

The Yonko duo takes this

@plaguedocter: I have to remember to limit my interactions with you because nothing anyone says will get change your mind on the extremely bias narrative you've created for Kizaru.

@enemybird said:

1) I have to remember to limit my interactions with you because nothing anyone says will get change your mind on the extremely bias narrative you've created for Kizaru.

Maybe because yall don't say nothing worth making me changing my mind especially as what you say is often I'm direct opposition to the manga itself.

I don't even need the like a dozen things showing Kizaru is nerfed I just need this.

This supposed "extremely bias[ed[ narrative" I "created" is literally ALL from the manga It ain't my problem you have a problem with the literal source material.

It don't get really any more clear than that ^ as Kizaru is more mentally hurt than actually even damaged... Kizaru has gotten NO pick-me-ups unlike Luffy who has... I could go on and on but I digress.

@sixpathsofcapra: 1. Can't fully speak to the pre TS stuff aside from crocodile as he lost to crocodile hax at first and then countered with water/blood later iirc

Luffy didn't have issues with gear 4 against doffy iirc he let put his air and then was unable to use haki afterwards. Something that continued even until wano as they mention it on the rooftop. Also what 2 days later are you referring to?

Luffy didn't jump to YC1 level until he got future sight which isn't even a power creep lmao

Again ignoring context. Luffy got blitzed without future sight against kaido and later has it but still isn't even fully dodging kaido attacks. Also training negates any power creep.

You don't seem to understand what powercreep is. Law is an example. He went from getting stomped by doffy to suddenly fighting emperors and tanking their attacks with no known training. Even luffy wasn't doing that against emperors when he first fought. That's a power creep. Hell look at luffy from dressrosa to the start of WCI. Same exact luffy. End of WCI to wano and it's again the same. He wasn't jumping multiple tiers at any of these points. Thinking he somehow jumped multiple tiers (which is what powercreep is) between wano and egg head is unfounded. He doesn't have random crazy spikes like what we see with law.

2. What headcanon lmao nothing says aokiji can't grow at the same rate as akainu. Can zoro never beat mihawk because he lost to him before? Such nonsensical logic.

Akainu and aokiji fought for the position of fleet admiral. Kizaru not participating means he's below them. Unless they say he turned down the position it was given to the strongest one. Also your luffy/zoro example is again terrible because aokiji isn't subordinate to akainu

3. Someone needs to go reread those fights again. Kaido literally tells luffy he won't dodge (as he could have) and will instead fight it head on. If kaido wanted to outlast he could have. You're again ignoring how kaido was fighting far longer then the gear 5 vs kizaru fight so he quite literally could have outlasted lmao not to mention how luffy fought kaido in gear 5 longer then he did kizaru. Gear 5 stamina wasn't an issue until egghead which is what we call a nerf not powercreep

4. Ahh missing my point but again doesn't surprise me. Luffy used gear 5 against Lucci someone well below kaido. He uses it in fights where he doesn't need to.

Kaido was rocking luffy shit lol. The moment he started taking it seriously luffy got bodied and thrown off the island. Kaido even says this lmao. Kizaru went in to the fight against luffy fresh while luffy had been fighting all night and already used gear 5. Meaning that already kizaru has the advantage as luffy stamina is drained. Even when they fight luffy still isn't abusing advanced conqueror (just like he didn't against Lucci and seraphim) meaning luffy is holding back while starting off with a disadvantage. Luffy then gets hit by kizaru strongest attack to date and doesn't even talk about it hurting when he comes back through the barrier. He literally says the barrier is what hurt lmao

Let's compare that to kaido who fought the scabbards and sulong dudes before luffy shows up. Then fights luffy and Co and let's them hit him. Whoops them. Luffy learns how to use advanced conqueror. Still whoops him and sends him packing. Fights Yamato. Fights luffy again. Still whoops him. Fights gear 5. And instead of dodging/running like kizaru takes luffy strongest attack. Does all this while carrying an island lmao meanwhile kizaru goes in with the advantage and gets one shot...

Luffy did indeed get special powers (advanced conqueror) during his fight with kaido that he hasn't been using. Nor did luffy whoop him in gear 5

5. Kizaru literally told Saturn that he needs few mintlutes before he can move lmao and it wasn't even bajarang gun

6. So you got an attack from kizaru that's stronger then his acceleration is power? Please show it than. If you got nothing then you are coping lmao as he's shown nothing better than that

Kizaru ran from luffy the entire fight lmao that shows the opposite of superiority. As you still ignore luffy was fighting all night before kizaru got there so outlasting him isn't impressive or remotely a win. Hell he didn't even truly outlast as he was at the same time luffy was

7. As soon as kaido was serious he knocked luffy off the island. Kizaru couldn't even fight luffy and ran the entire time. If I run away from someone until they are tired I would lose that fight by every metric but somehow for kizaru that's considered a win lmao admiral stock really down so bad that them running away from a fight is considered a win

shanks clears this by himself and easily, aokiji is more powerful than kaido as it was shown that he was on par with garp, but its unlikely that even he can compare to shanks