Elijah (Originals) vs Psylocke

@kaladar007: lmao.

※Me too 😂

OT: she one shots

※It is a fact that she aint doing nothing Elijah if he stands still. In combat she has no fighting chance and can't even tag him. He touches her and she is one shotted to death lol:

@kaladar007 said:

@killianduclark said:

@kaladar007: lmao.

※Me too 😂

OT: she one shots

※It is a fact that she aint doing nothing Elijah if he stands still. In combat she has no fighting chance and can't even tag him. He touches her and she is one shotted to death lol:

That is a 50/50.

※It is not 50/50. It is like 90/10.

Betsy doesn’t always move to use her powers.

※Elijah executes at near teleportatation speeds capable crushing 12 strix in 6 seconds without being tagged. Each one of those Strix statues her in reflexes and speed. Whether she chooses to move or stand still goes to no issue.

It’s just a preference of Betsy’s.

※Okay.

Needless to say, he is not killing her if she chooses to just shut him down telepathically.

※Lol. She CAN'T and will probably harm herself. She is facing an Original with powerful magic hax of Telepathy, thought transference, mind control, dream manipulation, illusions etc

※who when daggered and dead still projected thoughts into Rebekah's mind to find his temporary dead body. Distance and death not even barrier.

※Who has resisted the telepathic effects of the most powerful of witches- Esther, The hollow and others like Finn(inhabiting Vincent)

※Who after Esther's mental torture Klaus tried to access his weak mind and Elijah still shut Klaus out hurting him.

※Who fought against the magic of thousands of ancestors who could destroy Davina soul.

※lol. I'm talking someone who scaling from Klaus and Mikeal fought Dahlia's dessication spell on them. Elijah kills her.

And yes, she has done that before.

※Not to an Original tier lol. The person she is fighting also has nigh-invulnerability to mental hax. To be compelled:

1)He first willed it

2)Whilst willing it dark magic was used by vincent to lower to his magical immunity. Not to mention he has infinite magic. With her psychic powers she aint breaching this.

3)Only then could the superior Marcel gerard(Beast) compel him.

Dying is really her only option here. Head loss, heart loss, broken neck...

What is she capable of ?

Yo, @lordofallhumans, @koays, @geekryan, @marvelfan1992

What exactly am I arguing against?

@kaladar007:

Betsy’s telepathy exceeds that by returning the memories of thousands of people in an instant.

※Lol. It does not come close to one let alone to exceed Elijah's feat. It is not super speed, reflexes etc and only goes to show how advanced her telepathy is.

※Neither Betsy or any of those thousand persons is 1.5% MENTALLY and physically as fast as any member of the Strix Elijah slaughtered.

※Exceed my foot. Like if she replaces Elijah against 12 strix (ancient vampires) in close quarter combat who are over 10 faster than young vampires who possess speed akin to teleportation she'll succeed. She will be in bits in less than a second:

Telepathy is a thought based power. It matters if she chooses to move or not.

※It does not matter BECAUSE whether or not she chooses to move she will be statued by any of the strix or by Elijah:

She is just gonna vanish like that vampire. No one would know what happened to Betsy.

She thinks, they are dead.

※I doubt this but no need to call for evidence as she can achieve such results with mortals, people with no mental hax and who are very slow. Elijah deals with much better physically, mentally and supernaturally.

Literally nothing you mentioned here is something Betsy herself isn’t capable of.

※"literally nothing I mentioned her is something Betsy herself isn't capable of " is that all?

※Returning thoughts to thousands of men? That's cheap. Elijah reads the mind of telepaths, compel those who can compel, manipulate dreams of dream manipulators, distort reality of reality warpers etc

Bersy has plenty of feats more complex than what you mentioned here.

※False. Elijah personally and by scaling demonstrates mental hax on and against Immortals, telepaths, Dieties, Vampires, dark and Spirit Magic, Immortal Psychics, Witches, Sirens etc

You’re gonna have to give actual feats against telepaths.

※I gave you actual feats against beings more than just telepaths.

Not list off abilities Elijah is capable of.

※You should take your own advice. You are the one relying on "this isn't something Betsy isn't capable of" when I give oral account of Elijah's feat. Not to mention the fact that so far I am the only one who has provided Onscreen Gif where you have provided zero scans.

Again, not something Betsy isn’t capable of.

※I told ya you rely so much on "not something Betsy isn't capable of". Okay can I see feat of Betsy dead and yet she was projecting thoughts into the mind of another?

Betsy literally has literally survived death using her telepathic abilities at least twice in her history.

※If the above is meant to be an answer to how Elijah being dead and daggered and yet was projecting thoughts into the minds of Rebekah( Original tier) then it goes to no issue. Real people have survived death too using common sense.

Oof. Magic is real tricky to deal with.....

※Not if you have knowledge on the show.

Do you perhaps have any telepathic feats for said witches to scale off of?

※It's your turn. I already set the ball rolling when I mentioned that Finn( inhabiting Vincent) trapped Elijah and Klaus Original tier in psychic dimension and they broke eventually.

Because magic does not equal psychic all the time, but magic telepathy does exist.

※Magic is all emcompassing in TO. Infact, in Tvd/To universe ALL magic are rooted in psychic connection:

※That is why Betsy has no hope. All Tvd/TO magic is a hybrid of psychic and magic put together.

If you can bring telepathic feats for these witches, then we can compare them to what Betsy has dealt with and is capable of herself.

※You can provide for Betsy. I can't limit myself.

※I will provide FEATS of most magic and psychic energy telepathic and otherwise which shows that Betsy psychic powers ain't doing jack if an Original resisted Tvd/TO magic and psychic hybrid hax.

Again, any reason to believe these feats equate to psychic attacks and not simple magical spells or attacks?

※Not a reason but a fact that ALL magic is rooted in psychic energy. It is a hybrid of magic and psychic energy in the universe.

7) “lol. I'm talking someone who scaling from Klaus and Mikeal fought Dahlia's dessication spell on them. Elijah kills her.”

How does this equate to a telepath not using magic?

※Wrong question. A telepathy without pales in comparison to a telepath with magic. Better still if that telepath is Immortal and her telepathy is a hybrid of magic and psychic power.

That depends on the mental hax you are referring to.Telepathy is not limited to mind-control,

※Telepathy is NOT limited to mind control. But since their mind control is made possible via telepathy, an immunity to mind control is evidence of an immunity to a telepathic effect(mind control).

which is basically all you’ve listed off.

※😂 Mind Control is not basically all I listed. I clearly stated in my previous post that:

1)Elijah was daggered and dead with a mystical dagger yet he projected thoughts into the mind of Rebekah so she could find his body and that distance is not a barrier. This is mind control to you?

2)Klaus tried accessing Elijah's weakened mind after Esther's mental torture and Elijah still shut klaus out-with due respect sir, this is not mind control.

3)Elijah resisted the telepathic effects of some of the most powerful witches e.g Esther who mentally tortured him. Now to adumbrate further she used magic(mind breaching spell) with the purpose of infiltrating his mind so that he sees reason why he should become human and abandon vampirism-It is not mind control.

I’m still unsure about the others you’ve listed, but most of what you listed is just some form of mind-control.

※Already addressed you on this.

That’s not remotely similar to Betsy’s powers.

※True Betsy powers are childsplay.

There is no evidence this is working against Betsy, whose powers are not magic based

※Betsy power are innate psychic based powers. The fact that it worked against everbody's telepathic compulsion including Marcel's telepathic compulsion which has magic and psychic energy is evidence that Betsy ain't doing nothing.

※The fact that dark magic, spirit magic(forces beyond nature) etc where called upon in order to lower the immunity is EVIDENCE that Betsy psychic telepathy shall not lower it. This is pretty basic stuff.

※The above is further substantiated by the fact that the dark, spirit magic carries with it psychic energy.

Not really.

※Dying is really Betsy only option.

As I stated before, you need to be more descriptive about why these cases are similar to Betsy’s telepathy. Magic ≠ Telepathy. You gotta prove it’s magic telepathy or something similar enough to limit Betsy’s options.

※I have done so already.

We haven’t even gone into things like Betsy’s psi-knife,

※It's is a manifestation of her psychic power. It would do ZERO given the superior forces of both psychic and magic energy an Original has dealt with.

shutting down motor functions,

※In combat, Dark, spirit magic employed by the most powerful witch Dahlia was called upon to shut them down(dessicate) and they resisted same with difficulty and resumed combat. Betsy has no hope.

telekinetic stat enhancements, and the kind of psychics she has faced in her day.

※Elijah resisted the telekinesis of the ancestors and scaling from his brother Klaus, overpowered the telekinetic hold of the ancestors. The ancestors telekinesis shook US. State of New Orleans and threatened to destroy and sink it in the ocean:

I would list them,

※Go and ahead list them.

but I don‘t know exactly what I’m arguing against.

※True but it's okay. Dying is her only option. Her psychic ability pales in comparison to their mental hax. He is:

1)Immortal she is not

2)Unkillable she is not

3)Indestructible she is not

4)They statue her

5)Better regeneration

6)Better fighting skills

7)Way stronger

8)Way more Durable

9)Nigh-invulnerable

9)Way brutal...

@kaladar007: That’s a long reply, so I’m gonna stick to the main points of conversation:

※Lol. I love clearing doubts.

You massively exaggerate his speed. His speeds are blurring speeds at best,

※You are the one massively trying in futility to lowball his speed. Didn't you see Gif of Elijah killing a vampire with an execution so fast it was as though the vampire dissappeared into thin air. Neither the other vampire nor the witch or even you saw Elijah let alone his blur. For sake of completeness here is more of Elijah's teleportation:

※Secondly you say that as if blur speed isn't fast 😂. Most times it is just visual effects. Fox Quick Silver and even CW Clark kent blur:

※Even the "young ones" literally demonstrate speed akin to teleportation even in mid-air:

which is not something out of Betsy’s range.

※There is ZERO here to suggest remotely that she wouldn't be statued by Elijah lol. "The moment she registered the blast and before she was consciously aware of the threat she was already moving to escape it..." This is human level now. The soldier in Xmen whom wolverine saved literally exhibited this... except that the soldier has no telekinetic bubble to escape the nuke.

☆Here is Elijah's onscreen better rendition of this. Outpacing a room filled with boxes of dynamite explosives and having enough time to untie and save Jackson who was also body strapped to one:

We are talking statuing explosives which detonates at speed akin to covering 20,000 ft per second:

※Even if we delude ourselves and say Betsy moves as fast as this dynamite explosives. He statue her. She zero hope.

It only becomes a problem up-close.

※It is a problem both in close up and out of it. Unless the fight starts with her in the clouds or heights like the skyscrapers.Sadly there is nothing in the original post to suggest this and even if there were it would have been probably weird.

Betsy does not need to stay in close quarters combat.

※The fight won't start with her been in the clouds or flying several thousands feats above the ground. She won't get the opportunity.

Range advantage wins out here.

※Range Advantage 5 stars wins out here against a building she can see, that can't even MOVE and is destructible. Meh!

※She ain't even 200 feet away from this building. Elijah statues lots of explosives that covers 20,000 in a second. Elijah kills her in a millisecond.

※Let's us assume that Elijah let's her have a go. He is indestructible unlike the building, has resisted and overpowered telekinetic hax capable of destroying states(scaling from Klaus) and has tanked same. Betsy has no hope.

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Her soul was consumed at this point, making her functional dead.

※There is nothing in the scan to show that she was dead much more functionally dead. Even in the real world people can have their soul tormented, consumed and still be ticking.

※This is the state(dead) Elijah was in when he projected his thoughts into Original tier:

You say this a lot, but you have not said why in any regard.

※I have not only said but have shown you that Tvd/To hax is hybrid of magic and psychic energy.

I am not simply taking your word for it,

※From the moment you tagged me, it became obvious that no matter what I say or show you Betsy wins as far as you are concerned and I respect that. This is obvious to any reader when you state below things like Elijah's durability, regen, skill etc are irrelevant in the fight.

※I ordinarily wouldn't go this far but I do it because of great minds who support my write ups on the originals and other fictional characters across the internet.

※Again, it's already obvious to most already that Elijah wins this.

especially since she has dealt with this kind of thing before.

※There is nothing here to suggest that she is has dealt with a hybrid of all magic and psychic energy much more to the existent Elijah has dealt with.

※Neither is there anthing to suggest that she would tank a decaptitation or heart extraction from Elijah.

4) “Returning thoughts to thousands of men? That's cheap”

Yet, I’m supposed to be wow’d by him doing basic Telepathy, things amateur telepaths learn?

※Betsy and Co. are only amateurs when compared to Elijah.

※Elijah's telepathy isn't learnt or something that just awakens in humans. Lol. It isn't a precognition that became telepathy. Elijah telepathy is a gift that comes with being an Immortal and the first of his kind.

※Returning thoughts to thousands of men is cheap. Thousands of men are STILL MEN. Elijah "been killed by a mystical dagger" and still projecting thoughts into the mind of an "Original Tier Vampire" outmatch that. Quality is greater than quantity.

Betsy has effected other telepaths as well, ranging from Shadow King, who has controlled the entire planet more than once,

※Planet of men? Quantity not quality.

to Dark Angel, who has resisted the powers of cosmic god.

※Cosmic god is a matter of nomenclature. They may not have strength in the mental hax department. I mean Dark Angel resisted his mental hax but fell to Betsy? Lol.

※A different example but runs in same vein is that Mantis could put Ego under faster than Thanos. Even Peter Quill resisted Ego's.

You are not gonna simply mention Elijah effecting other psychics and say it’s better than telepaths capable of affecting the entire planet.

※Elijah did not just affect psychics. He affected Immortals, Supernatural creatures with potent mental hax of magic and psychic energy and resistance to same...He affected creatures of substance. Affecting a planet full of men is cheap pales in comparison.

Immortality does not equate to invincibility.

※Immortality in the case of Elijah vs Psylocke is close to invincibility as she can't harm him. The same cannot be said of Psylocke as He is gonna kill her.

And who says she even needs to kill him?

※I'm sorry, you say this as though she can kill him but does not need to in order to win. She can't kill him and no one has established how she can even harm him.

※However, this and others listed was me laying foundation as to how Betsy is outmatch in all ramifications and for purposes of superiority of specie and comparisons in the 'not dying department' she is outmatched. Immortal>Mortal.

➡Betsy is outmatched.

No, but difficult, she is to kill.

※Good. Elijah is unkillable in this battle and she is very easy for him to kill. She ain't as durable or Immortal as the creatures he fodderizes.

➡Again, Betsy is outmatched.

Neither is he. Nor does she need to be to win.

※You didn't know? 😂. All Originals are indestructible:

She can be indestructible and still lose this fight. But sadly isn't and has zero ways of winning Elijah. Indestructibility ups the ante. She is not doing any damage physically nor mentally. Well the same cannot be said of her as Elijah slaughters.

➡Once again Betsy is outmatched. Indestructible>>Destructible

4) “They statue her”

Still no evidence this is the case.

※In addition to the overwhelming evidence of Elijah statueing Betsy. Here is a feat outpacing a C4 explosion and the 1400 bullets of Claymore mines instantly with enough time to save the hunter who triggered it. Damon the vampire who teleported mid-air in the Gif above barely escaped:

➡Once again Betsy is outmatched

5) “Better regeneration”

Irrelevant for a discussion involving Betsy’s main attack option being telepathy.

※Regeneration is irrelevant to extent that Elijah won't even need it. There is nothing to show she can even harm him.

※It is relevant to show the hopelessness of Betsy in this battle. Let's us delude ourselves and say her telepathy or whatever will surpass his superior mental hax, durability, indestructibility... and manage to hurt Elijah. His regeneration will fix it as it happens.

➡Betsy is not healing or regeneration another head or heart. Once again Betsy is outmatched.

6) “Better fighting skills”

Debatable and Irrelevant.

※It is relevant against Betsy for Elijah who employs his physicals and mental hax. Their skill in combat not even debatable and I am open to a debate. Lol

➡Once again Betsy is outmatched.

7) “Way stronger”

Telekinesis compensates.

※Having overpowered the superior telekinesis of the ancestors capable of destroying the state of New Orleans unintentionally. It does not.

※Having demonstrated the durability to withstand such telekinesis harm. It does not.

※His physical strength will exterminate her. When he has shown the strength to EASILY demolish a Limestone Large Cave (6X tougher than any concrete and 300X tougher than any asphalt) 12 feet deep with a single kick:

※He touches her and she dies. Even Namek who dropped from an altitude to strike superman could barely damage an asphalt would kill her let alone Elijah:

Irrelevant. Telepathy is not a physical power.

※😂 you don't even know that there is no combat that durability isn't relevant?

※Secondly this is not a 'telepathic combat'. While Elijah is superior in mental hax, he employs both mental hax and physicals and will dismember Betsy beyond recognition.

※Moving on, That he is way more durable(at the Zenith to be precise being indestructible) than her is relevant to show she can't harm him.

※That his durability also extends to him resisting the potent telepathic effects of Tvd magic(God) shows her telepathic effects is null and void.

➡Again Betsy is outmatched in durability.

Third verse. Same as the others.

➡Again Betsy is outmatch in Nigh-Invulnerability.

9) ”Way brutal...”

Telekinetic shielding compensates.

※False. You say so because you think statues fight back.

※Assuming statues can fight back is her telekinetic shield more durable than a Limestone large Cave which Elijah casually demolishes?

☞Having weighed all evidence, stats, feats on the imaginary scale of justice, it is clear beyond all reasonable doubts that Elijah's case preponderates more than hers.

※She is outmatched in virtually all ramifications. Elijah is the worst kind of opponent for her.

⚰Dying is her only option.

@kaladar007:

Okay. I’m back,

※Welcome. I just checked my email assigned to CV and saw this. So shall we?

let’s see what we got here.....oh god it’s long.....alright.

※It's long because I have to explain to you the fundamental concept of basic things as it pertains to the show-including visual expo of gif's provided.

At least you can’t say I wasn’t paying attention to your points.

※I wish it were that.

No, you are clearly high balling by calling them teleportation speeds,

※Gif of even Damon-tier following a bullrushing from the second floor literally disappearing from Stefan's grip in mid-air and appearing elsewhere and in the process taking his ring before hitting the floor has already been tendered but you can't grasp it.

when in reality it’s just that the characters in question are turning around with the camera panning to display their viewpoint.

※The Gif of The Original Hybrid-Klaus pushing Elijah, watching him stagger the distance, turns arround and sees Elijah in front of him; Have a brief talk and does the same thing in reverse and still sees Elijah in front of him HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PANNING OF CAMERAS.

※It has to do with speed akin to teleportation.

They aren’t seeing anything because they aren’t looking at Elijah. They are turning their heads for a moment and Elijah with above average speed takes advantage of the momentary distraction.

※ There is no distraction. The reason they are standing and surrounding Elijah is because of Elijah. Prior to that, they were all sitted in the church seats. Elijah is THEIR focus.

If they wanted to convey teleportation, they would not pan the camera off of Elijah. They would display teleportation-like speeds, even on a low budget.

※They have, I have provided lecture notes, provided Gifs, including where the camera is steady(as if it is relevant) and Elijah descends from a 20ft Alley, kidnaps and ascends with a vampire into air killing him. From the viewers perspective it was as though the target vampire DISSAPPEARED. Not the witch or his fellow vampire saw what happened.

※Elijah suddenly appears behind the other vampire jumps with him and stakes him high up in the alley. From the viewers perspective it was as though Elijah never moved from that spot. They also gave us the witch doctor effect.

※If you can't grasp this. I will not be revising this with you for the 8th time.

These are better, since they clearly convey Elijah faster than the man in the gif can react, but they still aren’t teleportation speeds.

※They demonstrate speed AKIN to teleportation. They can go from point A to B seemingly without having to traverse the distance between. From their wiki even though you won't grasp it, I will do it for our readers:

My intent was not make out as if blurring speeds was slow.

※It sure seemed like your intent (for the originals) until I cleared you.

My intent was to make it clear to you that blurring speed is not out of Betsy’s range.

※The blurring speed of the Originals, Superman and FOX Quick Silver are way out of her range.

You are literally saying Betsy cannot react to those speeds when clearly she has taken on characters who do go those speeds frequently and comes out on top often.

※You haven't laid foundation for Betsy reacting to characters like the Originals who can demonstrate blurry speeds, speed akin to teleportation and have at least Mach 30+ reaction feat on record.

I am also telling you that teleportation speeds are a much different range of speeds that these characters are not going.

※They demonstrate speed akin to teleportation even more than Superman, QS or Flash. You always see them onscreen using their speed. Anyone who watched the show will tell you it's different with TVD/TO vamps.

Not a teleportaction speed gif.

※It is and even Damon have demonstrated it.

You can clearly track the characters

※You can with wild goose chasing, head canon etc. I could not track Damon when he vanished in mid-air, took Stefan's ring and reappeared after Stefan landed chest on ground.

and nothing suggests that they perceive their surroundings going slower than average humans.

※Yes because they can't go slower than the average humans. They are not Betsy.

It’s just blurring speeds again, which is not out of Betsy’s reaction range.

※Blurry speed of people with speed akin to teleportation well out of Betsy's reach. Even her reaction to the slow explosion is human level.

Wrong.

The scan shows her reaction speed being instinctual and you clearly skipped the part saying,

”Speed of Thought moves at the Speed of Light. So for her, concept and execution are one.”

※I didn't miss it and pretty damn sure they are not saying as the explosion occur she moved at light speed. The soldier example in X-men examplifies this.

※What they said applies to humans too. I walk...but the thoughts take place before I do, so fast that that the execution (walking or taking a step) happens just as fast as the thought itself.

This is how Marvel displays telepathy and telekinesis and display the speed of psychics to be capable of above average reflex and reaction using their powers. There is literally nothing in this scan that would suggest that a human would react the way Betsy did here without the proper training of their mind like Betsy has here.

☞To butress this point show where in her data base she is recognized as a speedster; capable of attaining light speed or having light speed reaction.

The gif does not show anything of the aftermath or even displays that he even got out or to safety in time before the bomb is set off. It’s a useless example

※Sadly the feat cannot even be useless because of what came out of mouth as a reason.

※Notwithstanding here is prove that both Jackson, Elijah, Klaus are fine and that Elijah statued the explosion:

The only injury Jackson suffers are those inflicted by his torturer.

I never said Betsy moves as fast an explosion. Where in my comment do I ever even state that Betsy is faster than an explosion? I said her powers activate faster than an explosion, meaning she can react to it easily.

※You did more than that. That's why you emphasized and misinterpreted the speed of thought/speedlight equaling her execution.

※The evidence you posted however it clear that the moment she registered the blast before consciously aware of the threat she was already moving to escape it with her telekinetic bubble. ☞This is something that is even human level. The moment we register a blast, before being aware of the threat we can be on the move to escape danger. If that Soldier Wolverine saved had a telekinetic bubble he would have escaped it and his explosion was faster being a nuke.

※Not to mention the fact that Betsy explosion is very slow.

※This is further butressed by the fact that it was stated that if it were anything LESS they would have died.

You have displayed much slower feats than explosion speeds. And no, men disappearing off-screen does not equate to faster than a explosion going off.

※ I have already provided and displayed Gif's of Elijah statuing a room full of over 150 (Mach 18) straight dynamite explosives including the one which was on Jackson's body-a booby trap. If you can't see it others can.

※I have also displayed Gif of Klaus Mickealson outpacing Mach 23 C-4 explosives in two claymore mines and the 1400 spheres/bullets/projectiles moving at Mach 3.5 and still saved the hunter who triggered it in the process. Let me reproduce again:

Nothing suggests he will make it to her before her tk shield goes up. All you keep showing is him having above human speeds. Not speeds to cross the battlefield to reach Betsy.

※I have shown you more than above human level speed- Mach 30+ feats, speed akin to teleportation etc. You are yet to establish Betsy HAS had TK shield up at anyone moving at such speeds. You have yet to demonstrate Betsy doing above human speed.

※Secondly, There is no battlefield and distance in the OP. It is all in your head.

☞Betsy dies in centiseconds.

I am taking any and every scenario into account because the op doesn’t mention a starting distance or positioning.I’m making it clear where Betsy has her advantages.

※You are simply choosing to ASSUME that there will a battlefield and distance Elijah would have to cross to reach Betsy to give her what you think will be an advantage even though there is nothing in the OP to suggest this.

You shooting them down by stating a false scaling of Betsy’s speed of her powers activating is not proving me wrong. It’s just you being dismissive.

※There is nothing to shoot down in the first place. Not Betsy's speed, not the battlefield and distance etc You cannot put something on nothing and expect it to stand. It shall fall. "Ex Nihilo Nihil Fit". UAC V. Mcfoy.

※I am not being dismissive that's you albeit you do it in futility. Yours is accompanied by so many factors.

Her tk shield gives her that opportunity.

※Establish where she put it up in centiseconds.

Right, because surely there is record of telekinesis missing moving targets.

※Sure. That example was against a statue building.

And she does not need to see her target. She is a telepath. She is literally already sensing him when the match starts and knows he’s there.

※Then show it. Because Speedsters who statue her, with reaction amazing speed and Telepathy can be blitzed in combat. In the Originals and Twilight verse-Edward Cullen from Twilight.

No, he doesn't. You did not show that in the slightest. This is statuing explosives.

※This shows that your understanding of statue speed is limited to slow motion and the process shown.

※Elijah even statued the over 150 Mach 18 explosives and booby-trap even way better than FOX QS did in that Gif. Let me tell you why:

1) Elijah tries to make a move and the very next second onscreen the explosives had gone off (Keep that in mind)

2)The velocity of each of those explosives is 20,000ft per second including the booby-trap on Jackson's body( which itself detonates upon being touched) which isn't up to an inch away from his body but is on his body.

3)It would take centiseconds or more for Mach 18 booby-trap on Jackson to cover an inch. An inch which for the record is an EXAGGERATION OF THE DISTANCE of the booby-trap dynamite explosive on Jackson's body.

4)Using just a little bit of "common sense", "natural knowing" I don't need anyone to lecture me that for Elijah to have had time:

I)To carefully untie Jackson

II)Strip him off his dynamite booby trap,

III)Outpaced the other over 150 surrounding dynamites

IV)Exited the first floor before the BOOM.

➡He damn sure statued the explosives.

☞I say way better than Fox QS because whilst QS is using statue force, the explosion itself is moving slowly and still expanding. IF this had been the case with the booby-trap Mach 18 dynamite explosive on Jackson, Jackson would have been blown to bits or atleast incinerated 😊. Not even his clothes were harmed.

No he isn’t. I’ve seen plenty of gifs showing just the contrary. Not from you, but from a reputable person not giving me a bunch of lies about the capability of a character.

※I sent you a screenshot of the transcript from their wikia, screen shot from wikipedia, screenshot from onscreen episode BUT you chose to chase wild goose that they are destructible and that a "reputable person who ISN'T me" proved me a LIAR.

☞If you applied a little bit of common sense and accessed the net on THIS ISSUES you wouldn't have been so gullible.

※Speaking of reputation, I've got real ones which don't involving explioting gullible kids/people and making them believe truth tellers are liars and vice versa. Here is a little:

What you have is a highly durable character with an impressive healing factor. Fine. That does not equate to indestructible. It equates to hard to kill.

※When you admittedly don't know anything on a verse or in life allow those who know to humbly educate you. It's too early to outshine the master.

※Like I said, Elijah is not only super durable, he is nigh-invulnerable, indestructible and can only be killed by a Whiteoak Stake, has a regenerative healing factor and magical ressuscitation.

※The only thing that can destroy him cancels itself as it is also what granted and insures those stats for him. Another reason is that it is very hard to come by. Even when you have it, it can be difficult to kill them. It has to have it's magic, driven into their hearts, the Original's spirit should be in his body... it remains the only thing that can give them the ashes to ashes and dust to dust treatment

It’s apparent because that is all you keep mentioning. You keep speaking about the fight as if Betsy is gonna physically fight.

※Betsy not having the physicals is to her detriment. Elijah will not abandon his physicals for this reason.

He’s above her physicals. Cool.

※Cool.

She’s not using her physicals.

※An advantage to Elijah who uses both.

You still Harper on them anyways as if I had not already told you multiple times that telepathy is not a physical power.

※If she relies on her inferior mental hax alone. Elijah relies on his superior physical stats and mental hax.

How fast Betsy moves physically does not equate to how fast she can react or her mental reflex is.

※I have already addressed this.

How strong Betsy is physically does not equate to the strength of her telekinesis or telepathy.

※Her strength of her telekinesis pales in comparison to that of the Originals. Her telepathy pales in comparison too. Originals have overpowered Telekinesis that shook every inch of the Earth.

How durable Betsy is does not equate to Betsy being incapable of creating an Astral Form upon death to save herself.

※Betsy's durability does not stand a chance to Elijah's ripping of her head, ripping of her heart, dismembering etc.

※You have not shown where Betsy physically died and projected her Astral form to ressurect herself. I wonder that you would work after a decapitation, heart loss etc

Literally nothing you suggested was relevant to anything but a physical confrontation.

※You are not paying attention. I have established his superior mental hax and his physicals. I have established that they employ both in combat even against superior witches and psychics who dwarf and stomp Betsy.

If you feel you are getting nowhere, that is entirely your fault.

※I have already arrived a long time ago.

※I can see from your dp and wall image that you exult Betsy and the X-men. Have you acheive your purpose for tagging me in the first place? Lol.

My answer is not gonna change if you keep repeating yourself as if somehow the information will change. You are going about how Betsy can possibly win all wrong.

※I am not trying to change your answer. I don't care about your opinion. Look at this thread, did you see me tag anyone who didn't tag me in the first place?

Betsy has no need to match him physically. She just needs to match him with her mental abilities. That is it! You aren’t registering that, so I can’t move on until it comes to your mind that,

※I have already addressed you on this.

”Hey, maybe her physicals are irrelevant and this fight will not be as clear cut as he runs up and snaps her neck.”

※It apparent that could be the position in centiseconds.

Okay. I’m glad you have support.

That being said, the way you keep going about this conversation is incorrect. Until you address Betsy’s mental reflexes and reaction and how they affect the battle, I’m not budging.

※I have addressed these already. I don't you need you to budge. You tagged me in the first place and now you are telling me you can't budge like I give a shit. I should be the one to tell that but I won't.

Are you stating a title or a just describing Elijah’s enemy? I can’t tell because there is no context in your statement.

※The entire universe's hax.

You mentioned a hybrid of a magically psionic being. I brought one. You are trying to use the uniqueness of Elijah’s enemies as a means to show Betsy has none of the experience Elijah has. That was clearly wrong and I am displaying that. You saying it’s not good enough is not a rebuttal.

※I never said it wasn't good enough. I am not you. There is nothing to show that their mental hax was a hybrid of magic and psychic energy. I posted a screenshot to that effect for TVD/TO universe.

She will not need to. Tk Shield easily keeps him from her.

※She can't get it up in centiseconds. Even if I get her the chance, it is not more durable than a Cavern.

Against your basic telepathy level feats? Please.

※Already addressed this.

Good for him. That is not proof his telepathy is better.

※Sure. Proof of his is better has been stated and tendered a long time ago.

That is proof that Elijah‘s training is inadequate and that he is an inferior telepath.

※Elijah's telepathy and mental hax does not need training like Betsy or comes with a manual. It is inbuilt, bestowed and at it's Zenith. Even when dead and daggered he can still project thoughts.

You have no clue about how telepathy works

※My credentials of being a part-time mentalist, psychic entertainer, a successful author in the supernatural verse tells me otherwise.

and that in turn is why you will not win this argument about a psychic battle between Betsy and Elijah.

※Elijah wins it is a fact that speaks for itself.

※As for ME not winning it for Elijah against you? I prefer not to be the judge in my own case. Even if YOU say "I win" or that "you are defeated" it's worthless to me:

1)I have most of my write-ups published to millions on the world's greatest Question and Answer platform.

2)Some answers are Quora's top answer.

3)Amongst other verified writers with real credentials; I've being a most viewed writer on Tvd Series and a top writer in general and lots more.

☞Please I don't do the whole first grade argue to win thing and being a judge in your own case. It's really useless.

☞If you mean bussiness, bring it to Quora, participate or select your authors/representatives, tag me(My real name is in the screenshot), we will write, it will be published for the world to see, readers and authors from all walks will casts their votes... This is my shit because I stand to to have my write-up as the top answer, get the most upvotes, have it shared, published and featured to millions etc I won't even use half of what I written here.

Meaningless opinion.

※That's a fact and my opinion carries weight.

Bring something just as good or better.

※I already have.

Or concede. That will save us both the trouble.

※You keep talking about budging, not agreeing, being dismissive, CONCEDING... If you want to do these fine but not me. Even your concession would be of no value to me.

Ah. Finally, you state your problem with the feat instead of petulantly calling it cheap, as if that mattered to me in the slightest.

※It's truly cheap.

Your statement would have merit if you showed something more complex.

※I already did.

As it stands though, you have not.

※I have.

Betsy is dealing with the memories of different minds of varying resistance and will. And it’s been shown that telepaths can be overloaded with information if they don’t have the proper focus, showing Betsy having above average mental focus and strength. By all means, match it. If not, then concede.

※I already surpassed it with Elijah's feat. Here we go again with conceding, I have not seen anyone to concede to and that's why I am at the top of my game. Bring it Quora and let the world(not you or I) whether you concede to me.

You call that quality? I call it basic.

※Sure. Some people were born to exult inferior qualities.

What is complicated about sending a thought as you are dying? Nothing.

※Nothing. Except Elijah was mystically daggered and dead, entombed in his mind AND DAYS AFTER projected himself into an Original tier- Rebekah and gave the location to finding his body.

※Klaus similarly, did same with Dahlia and channeled her to undagger himself.

Tons of characters have done this kind of feat before and have done better with it.

※Sure tons of characters have done the ONE you speak of.

Hell, I showed you better by displaying Betsy absorbing the souls, killing the soul eater that committed the crime, and creating a new body of the souls that were taken. But you bring me is that “Elijah sent a message”.

※This is beneath the mental hax Elijah potrayed. Show Betsy mystically and physically killed and thereafter projecting thoughts into the mind of Original tier.

Are you really that clueless about Marvel and the many characters they’ve made? If I state to you that Betsy has faced the same things as Elijah, should it not occur to you that her planet is more than just normal humans inhabiting the place?

※I am not clueless as to Marvel. I just don't assume, delude myself, chase wild goose, add battle fields and distances, live in denial etc. You named the "feat of the thousand men" and I responded accordingly.

Marvel’s cosmic entities don’t lack in mental hax. If such were the case, I wouldn’t have even brought the feat.

※Stated actually. They do and I have addressed how with some examples from even the cinematics.

This isn’t the MCU. Psionics in comics work differently from psychics in the movies, who retroactively suck comparatively to the comics.

※It goes to show why Betsy can defeat Cosmic gods in mental hax. It ain't new as even in the cinematics empaths like Mantis can put Ego to bed, put Thanos under.

The psychics are the more important of those creatures because they would debatably specialize in their powers, rather than having it as an extra ability that makes them a Jack-of-all-trades. Having a power doesn’t make you proficient.

※I disagree. The psychics can't be better than The Immortals, psychics, Sirens, Witches, Originals, Immortal Psychics whose 'mental psychic hax' has magic accompanying it as the venom and killing blow.

※Most importantly seeing as in the universe mental hax does not get better with skill, practice, rehearsals like humans and Betsy's might need. All species with it are SUPERNATURAL and it does not come with a training manual. Jack of all tradeish goes to no issue.

So, I have literally no reason to bother with the others listed unless you can actually bring something substantial to discuss that they did to contribute to the discussion.

※I already did.

Knocking someone unconscious is a perfectly acceptable way to defeat an opponent.

※Sure.

In fact, Elijah has been ko’d multiple times in the show proper before. There is no reason Betsy telepathy and/or telekinesis won’t achieve the same results.

※True. He has been Koed( and resisted same) by witches with Knowledge about him, created him, have the speed, enhanced reflexes and technique to knock him-Broken necks, heart damage, dessication(Most if not all Betsy has no knowledge on and can't even achieve).

※There is whole reason to believe Betsy TK or TP won't work. This is because most witches or Immortals who do this are comfortable WAY above planetary level. Davina who in season one of TO knocked Elijah using Magic SHOOK THE ENTIRE EARTH AND ALMOST DESTROYED IT WITHOUT EVEN INTENDING TO:

Then all you’ve done was waste time.

※Thanks for the advice. I know I won't waste time on you again.

Literally nothing you brought suggests anything beyond his physicals and healing are better than Betsy’s.

※Don't forget also his superior mental hax and feats for which I am still proving.

You proved he can win a physical confrontation. Congrats.

※Thanks. That's death for Betsy.

Now shift your gears to the part that really matters. Her mental abilities.

※It is part that really matters for Betsy. However, Elijah shines in both over her.

Tk shields makes up for this flaw.

※She can't put them up in centiseconds. They aren't more durable than Caverns to take a strike from Elijah and they aren't magical like boundary spells where physical force won't count.

A random statement does not help your case. Context is key. So give me the context, or else I am ignoring this statement as a result.

※Originals are indestructible. I already you addressed you this. I'm sorry it's lying to you if it's telling you that your opinion can change this fact.

No, they would just guarantee his loss,

※On the contrary, Elijah physical stats(Indestructibility) guarantees his success. Betsy's destructibility guarantees her loss and demise.

since she would have all the time in the world to dig through his mind and find out his weaknesses.

※Lol. Of the both of them Elijah is the only person that has all the time in the world and whom that expression fits not her. She dies in centiseconds.😊

※she can't access his mind with her inferior mental hax. It took a mind breaching spell days and it wasn't fully possible.

※Assuming we delude ourselves that she will get the opportunity in centiseconds. While going through his mind he will physically kill her. Elijah has being known to also kill even a part of himself in mental hax state to attain recovery from the mind breaching spell.

※Deluding ourselves still that she can come into his mind with her inferior mental hax. She would be trapped behind the red door. Elijah slaughters still.

You had a better case for when she was mortal.

※Nah the closest Betsy has being is virtually immortal from my research. So she can still die of old age and can be killed. Elijah slaughters Immortals in no time flat.

Overwhelming evidence of speeds Betsy is capable fo reacting to. Next.

※Sadly not. What she did is what the human soldier in X-men did and what real life humans can demonstrate. She escaped the slow explosive not because of her reflexes or reaction but because of her telekinetic bubble which sent them to safety.

That’s not him outpacing the explosive. That is him being thrown out of the room by the force of the explosion. You at least can say he made to the room, but he is clearly not outpacing an explosion.

※That's Damon-tier narrowly but CLEARLY outpacing Mach 23; C-4 explosives of claymore mines (Keep in mind that a dozen ancient strix over 8X faster than him could not tag Elijah so Betsy's human level reaction is a non-factor). You may have to go onscreen to watch it and understand it. But I appreciate the durability feat you have given him.

Regeneration does not fix someone’s mental state normally in fiction. You’re gonna have to bring evidence of Elijah quickly recovering from mental damage.

※Yes it does. Welcome to Tvd/TO verse and while Betsy ain't doing any mental state damage. Here are the evidence:

I)The mystical daggers entomb Originals like Finn in his mind attempting to drive him crazy for 900 hundred years. He still easily recovered.

II)The tunde blade affects the mental states of an Original yet they recover from it.

III)Elijah's recover from the mind breaching spell of Esther and lots more

IV)They also recover from the use of magic to destroy the seat of their mental state itself-their brains.

I will only concede on the basis that his physicals will make a comparison of fighting ability irrelevant. This conversation is already running long as it is and I’m not keen on extending it with a meaningless conversation that Betsy would lose against anyways.

※Already addressed this and I agree Betsy loses anyway. She is fighting a supernatural character outclassing her in physicals and mental hax.

33) “Having overpowered the superior telekinesis of the ancestors capable of destroying the state of New Orleans unintentionally. It does not.”

"Show the ancestor destroying New Orleans then."

※Can't provide you with the Gif of Earthquake cause I don't have it. Even if I did, you may not still understand it like the others I have provided.

※I already have provided you with a transcript to the effect of it even being planetary. Here is the one dealing with her gradually destroying New Orleans without intending it:

※You can now go onscreen in S1E11 OF TO and confirm it. I should also inform you that was JUST with the power of 4 harvest witches. Originals have also faced the TK/TP of witches with powers of over 100 dead witches, limitless powers. So Betsy's is a non-factor especially when an Original can do this:

Against a powerful witch amped by the ancestors in their place of power and this unlike the witch who almost destroyed Earth without doing anything, this witch made efforts to restrain an Original and was overpowered.

Betsy demolishes entire buildings, yet your comparison is that he makes a hole in thick limestone.

※Lol. Destroying an entire bungalow or building is cheap compared to a part of a Limestone Cavern '12 feet deep' in a single stomp. It's not size it's about durability.

※That Cavern is a large deposits of minerals. Some of the toughest materials in the world are mined from them:

1)The limestone in it is over 6X harder than concrete. In otherwords the concrete building Betsy destroyed pales in durability.

2)That Cavern also has Graphite/Graphene which is over 200X harder than A36 Steel and over 40 times harder than Diamond. Betsy building pales in comparison.

※You see that Ancient Cavern carries a City (Mystic Falls) and has tunnels all over it for over thousands if millions of years without problems. It is not like much Caves which still has formations above the earth.

※You see explosives( beneath nukes) such thermites and the planes crash to the WTO reproduced what Betsy did to the twin buildings. But they go crashing into that Cavern destroyed and won't even faze it one bit.

※Infact you could literally drop a Nuke on that Cavern and it MAY not even reproduce that '12 feet' damage

Irrelevant. His physicals completely overtake Elijah.

※Lol. Without further ado, their striking power to Cavern and to Asphalt disagrees greatly. The Caves limestone nature alone is already over 6X stronger than concrete. Concrete is over 50 times stronger than Asphalt making that Limestone alone over 300X harder than Asphalt. I won't even bother calculating Graphite and Graphene.

※Elijah crushes him but no need for me to debate this with you as this is Elijah vs Betsy. I have already argued, convinced and came to agreement with Quora's DCEU top writers(who are also knowledgeable on TVD/TO verse) and thousands on how the Originals like Klaus or Elijah can actually beat Nam-ek's superior-Superman. I have done Klaus and Hela, Klaus vs Clark kent(reddit).

What the hell are you even doing bringing up a character who has no bearing on the fight?

※I was trying to give a guage on an Originals physicals so you know. It would be better for her to a hit from Nam-ek than from Elijah. So like I said Elijah touches her, she dies.

Telepathic combat proves this statement wrong. Your physical durability has no bearing on your mental fortitude. It’s not even a rule. Just plain common sense.

※The fact that you think I am talking physical durability shows common sense isn't plain common to you. Did I not speak of them being unable to be compelled, resisting mind breaching spells, the shutting down of their minds via spells and bodies, shutting supernaturals out of their minds, breaking free from mental haxes and illusions... recovering from 9 centuries entombment in their minds etc.

This fight will go to telepathic combat because Betsy will force it to go there.

※ She force/compelled an Original(who can't be compelled) to go there with her inferior hax.

He can’t physically touch an astral form

※ Is it her astral form that is coming into battle whilst her physical body will be for e.g in China? No problem. Elijah can astral project too even when daggered and dead and retain his superior mental physicals and mental hax. He wins.

and all you have shown me are subpar mental feats nowhere near anything Betsy has done.

※Already addressed this.

This is something you have not proven.

※I have given oral evidence of it and to "anyone in the know" that is more than sufficient. If by proving you mean I should provide you Gif's of their mental feats, mental resistance, durability and recovery, I won't for the following reasons:

1)You would go on a personal wild goose chase and claim that some reputable person who aint me showed you otherwise.

2)You won't understand it. If I were to show you for e.g Gif of a woman making gestures in front of a restrained Elijah that's all you are gonna see. But somebody who has watched the show, "someone in the know" understands that is where Esther's performs the mind breaching spell on Elijah.

※How can I prove to you if at this juncture you believe that all I belabored with regards to their mental hax is that physical durability equals mental fortitude as shown below in your next comment in quotes:

"Nor does it make sense. Honestly, I don’t think you have any evidence demonstrating physical durability equates to mental resistance. Show this to be the case."

※Again such evidence of powerful mental resistance has already been provided by Koays and admitted by you. You even drew a conclusion based on it:

He has not shown anything displaying statue speeds. I know what statue speeds are. You apparently don’t.

※I have educated you on this.

Yes, her tk shields are more durable than limestone.

※Establish has tk shield is over 6 times harder than concrete, 300X harder than Asphalt:

300X harder than A36 steel, over 40 times harder than Diamond:

Mining of Graphite/Graphene is prevalent in Virginia where Mystic Falls is located:

And no, Elijah didn’t demolish a cave. He made an entrance into the cave. Look at your own gif again.

※Look at the gif again. Elijah destroyed a Cavern 12 feet deep in a single stomp. He destroyed 12 feet worth of Limestone rock, graphite and graphene material. Do you think that when it is reported that "they destroyed/damaged the mountain to free the Chile Miners" they meant that the mountain was flattened?

☞Let's come to the cinematic world. Do think when others say for e.g:

1)That your MCU Hulk destroyed Asphalt to sink Veronica's Cage THAT THEY MEAN HE DESTROYED ALL THE ASPHALT IN THE CITY.

2)That DCEU Zod and Superman destroyed the city in their altercations TO MEAN IT WAS ACHEIVED BY PUNCHING INTO THE GROUND AND THE CITY BUSTED.

From what I can tell, all you have done is exaggerate his scaling of physicals,

※From what YOU can tell is fine by me. Humans like you would think that.

misinterpret the difference between complex psychic feats and basic ones,

※The gift of misinterpretation is yours but you don't know you have it.

and just state arrogantly to me facts that are irrelevant.

※It is appears so because of the reality your operating from.

I will not waste either of our time anymore. Reply whatever you want, but I am done.....

※ You tagged me in the first place.Seeing the kind of person you are please don't tag me again in any other thread outside of this one. I mean that.

At least I hope I am. I honestly don’t know if I will reply back, but I can say that I won’t intend to reply. Whether I do is another matter entirely.

※Dying is really Betsy's only option and that is truth ⚰⚰. I respect your opinion on her winning but I maintain the facts of Elijah burying her.

Kwannon would stomp. Betsy is a mismatch.

This can't believe people debated for Elijah.